Supporting a new sailing community venture in the NYC Metro Area

Sailors NYC

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Actually - the vast majority of YC's are for profit operations.

otherwise I fully agree with yoru post
Really?

How do you come to this conclusion?
I'm also confused, I'm pretty confident that the majority of yacht clubs are classified as private foundations by the IRS and file as "All organizations except 501©(3)." This would make them tax exempt, but would not qualify your dues or other payments as charitable donations.

Here's some quick research I did:

http://non-profit-or...ncis-Yacht-Club

http://non-profit-or...-Yacht-Club-Inc

http://non-profit-or...ican-Yacht-Club

http://non-profit-or...mont-Yacht-Club

http://non-profit-or...hern-Yacht-Club

http://non-profit-or...-of-Clairpointe

http://non-profit-or...ston-Yacht-Club
oooopsss..... Does that mean I'm aloud to come back in???

 

Sailors NYC

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Just Dug said:
are you telling me that it is wrong to sell services to these people?
nothing wrong with that as long as you pay for it. you seem to think Sailing Anarchy is Craigslist.
I need more popcorn.......this is a great thread to follow.

Keep pushing Sail NYC, this is entertaining.
I don't think you'll see Sail NYC any more, unless she buys and ad...
Well - I don't know of Sail NYC, but Sailors NYC IS back!

jkdubs808 - get your popcorn!

 

RumLine

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Is profit a bad word here on SA ?
I guess... seems like all sailors here are commies, and only the Israeli from the Kibbutz is the horrendous capitalist who'll take your money and buy a boat for herself ;-)
I think you're doing yourself a huge disservice by posting here. You not only make yourself look like an idiot with every post you make, but you've proven that your plan to bring "affordable" sailing to NYC is nothing more than a scheme for you to profit. I love profits, I think they're great. I think capitalism is an incredibly important part of of our country, and I hate the fact that profitable businesses are chastised for being successful. What I have a problem with is you posing as a community sailing program and asking for donations with the end goal of turning a profit.

You want to be taken seriously around here? Buy an ad, post some sort of pitch book, give us some sort of information on the fees you intend to charge your members and provide us with some more information on your qualifications. Why should we give you any credit?

If you look around the forums here you'll notice that a lot of the advertisers here hang around and comment, not just on topics that relate to their products but on anything that interests them. They're serious sailors and they answer questions and complaints about their products directly, without smiley faces and sarcasm. They're class acts, like Dry Amour who's weather forecasting may have saved lives, or LZ who replied directly to his competitors false assertions. You could learn a thing or two.

You want our respect? Earn it...otherwise fuck off because we're done with you.

 

Sailors NYC

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Shoot - how could I forget - MARKETING! I guess I should go back and check my business school papers. I'll see if it says anything about it over there...
We cane forgive stupity, butte notte onboxiouse attititude, faille. :)
Does this qualify as an obnoxiouse attitude?

New Opportunity!!

Donate money to my business. In return, I may send you some trinkets. I'm not a registered charity and you won't be able to deduct the donation from your taxes. Rest assured that your money will go to a good cause. It will help me make money for myself and possibly some of the mystery investors who might see a return (even though you won't). Don't be fooled by people who say that I'm just in it for myself. I'm doing this for the community. Of course I'm going to make money off of the community and you won't receive any return on your donation/investment. Don't let that fool you. This is all about the community and not my personal profit. There's a double secret business plan, but since you're a donor and not an investor, you shouldn't need to see it. After all, it's not your business. It's mine.

You may have already figured out part of my business plan. That's the free use of social media and industry websites to raise awareness, solicit donations, and endear myself to the community.

In summary, stop donating to Toys for Tots. Stop donating to the Red Cross, Sandy victims or any of those other charities. They'll only use your money to help people in need, not enrich one individual. That's what the global village is all about, helping me make money and fulfill my dreams, not helping the less fortunate.

I should warn you that there's a very low probability of my success. However if I do succeed, you'll still get nothing other than the satisfaction of having helped me.

Please send your donations to our offices at:

2 Bloomfield St

New York, NY 10014

https://maps.google.... 10014&t=h&z=19

Keep in mind, every dollar that you give to established charities, food drives, or even homeless people is a dollar that won't help me get rich.

Thank you again for your support and the free use of this website.

Or maybe this?

RumLine

You want our respect? Earn it...otherwise fuck off because we're done with you.

 

Christian

Super Anarchist
Actually - the vast majority of YC's are for profit operations.

otherwise I fully agree with yoru post
Really?

How do you come to this conclusion?
I'm also confused, I'm pretty confident that the majority of yacht clubs are classified as private foundations by the IRS and file as "All organizations except 501©(3)." This would make them tax exempt, but would not qualify your dues or other payments as charitable donations.

Here's some quick research I did:

http://non-profit-or...ncis-Yacht-Club

http://non-profit-or...-Yacht-Club-Inc

http://non-profit-or...ican-Yacht-Club

http://non-profit-or...mont-Yacht-Club

http://non-profit-or...hern-Yacht-Club

http://non-profit-or...-of-Clairpointe

http://non-profit-or...ston-Yacht-Club
I think most are classified as "Independant Associations", tax liable and contributions are not tax deductible.

For Profit doesn't mean that someone pockets the money - usually they run at about a break even - if they are lucky

Most YC's have established 501© foundations - but the clubs themselves are not.

 

Sailors NYC

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Not sure who makes the roles here, but seems like this is still a joungle.

One brave sailor actually gave me a call yesterday and heard what I had to say and I think he doesn't think I'm the devil anymore. seriously - you were "sophisticated" enough to learn my name - I'm sure that if you were really interested in me, my credentials, experience and record - you could have easily got a hold of that information by running a quick google search or sending me a personal email or call me. I don't see any of you putting your real names out there, though I get it that a lot of you know each other outside this forum - which is cool, but give me a break - as no-one here would answer questions I've been asked publically.

and re: "donations" - I apologize if one feels that by asking for your support of a new business that has to do with people in NYC who likes sailing (i.e. - community) feels like you are being solicited or arm-twisted to do something you don't want to do. I really didn't mean to upset you, and I am surprised that even Neptune's rage sounds like a lullaby compare to SA rage.

It may surprise you - but I'm here to stay. Like RumLime said, and I quote:

"You want to be taken seriously around here? Buy an ad, post some sort of pitch book, give us some sort of information on the fees you intend to charge your members and provide us with some more information on your qualifications. Why should we give you any credit?

If you look around the forums here you'll notice that a lot of the advertisers here hang around and comment, not just on topics that relate to their products but on anything that interests them. They're serious sailors and they answer questions and complaints about their products directly, without smiley faces and sarcasm. They're class acts, like Dry Amour who's weather forecasting may have saved lives, or LZ who replied directly to his competitors false assertions. You could learn a thing or two."

This is exactly what I'm here for. and thank you for the warm welcome. I think we will have fun together!

Cheers and see you on the water and on other threads sooner than you imagine...

 

PurpleOnion

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Since you've returned, Sailors NYC, please tell us how you rationalize taking a donation from somebody to start your business. It might help some of use feel better about the unethical things we've done/witnessed.

Since you couldn't help dragging out your business school background, please share that with the forum. We'd all like to know which business school promotes this type of venture.

Finally, please share your ethical perspective on abusing this forum for advice, input, and panhandling.

 

PurpleOnion

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New York, NY
and re: "donations" - I apologize if one feels that by asking for your support of a new business that has to do with people in NYC who likes sailing (i.e. - community) feels like you are being solicited or arm-twisted to do something you don't want to do. I really didn't mean to upset you, and I am surprised that even Neptune's rage sounds like a lullaby compare to SA rage.
Perhaps we are confusing definitions. Can you define donation and investment? Then tell us, in your view, what the difference is between them?

 
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us7070

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I'm not much interested in donating money to a business belonging to anyone other than myself, or maybe my kids..., but I guess I don't mind your asking...

what i do find a bit dishonest is your use of the term "Community" in the thread title.

Community sailing is pretty much universally understood to be some sort of a not-for-profit organization.

 
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redboat

Super Anarchist
Why are you so concerned about only providing information privately? You ask for money and support publicly. Support those requests puiblicly with the aforementioned business plan and if it is so well thought out and enticing you will no doubt receive the support you obviousy feel it so richly merits. You might also find that the rabble in this asylum might be able to offer so truly constructive suggestions. But hurry, May 2013 is fast approaching..

Is Sailors NYC a registered company or is it still a few whisps of smoke on the horizon?

 

dacapo

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I'm not much interested in donating money to a business belonging to anyone other than myself, or maybe my kids..., but I guess I don't mind your asking...

what i do find a bit dishonest is your use of the term "Community" in the thread title.

Community sailing is pretty much universally understood to be some sort of a not-for-profit organization.
winner winner chicken dinner....

 

Essex

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I hope you have permission from self appointed lifetime commodore fortenbuagh of MSC to start this venture,

between him and arthur imperatore of NY waterways I think all of ny harbor is spoken for already.

 
Wow! I sometimes wonder if this forum has some extremely creative writers who come up with this shit.

A large amount of the people on this forum are businessman. The idea of using social media to try and solicit funds to start a business is somewhat less tasteful the selling speakers out of the back of a van. To use works like “donation”, “support”, “community sailing” without stating off the bat that you are looking to start a business borderlines on fraud.

If you would have said that you were starting a business and looking for help that is one thing, but you didn’t, it appears instead you are looking to scam people into donating money into a non-existent community venture.

I am a real marketer by trade, I tell my clients that they get what they pay for. Not only could your ignorant and unethical behavior on this forum not pay off, it could even cause this group to attack your other social media outlets causing permanent damage to not only this “dream” of yours but also your name.

 

Steam Flyer

Sophisticated Yet Humble
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.... ... I don't see any of you putting your real names out there, though I get it that a lot of you know each other outside this forum

... ...
Really? Doug is my real name. It is not at all difficult to find out who I am and what I do

It may seem in the vast anonymity of NYC that you can scam an endless series of strangers, but in reality the world is pretty small.

.... ... give me a break - as no-one here would answer questions I've been asked publically.

... ...
What questions have you been asked that are SO-O-O terrible?

You asked for money, it is entirely natural and right that people want to know what you are going to do with it.

I will go a step further and say that you have misrepresented your 'business' here past the point of being fraudulent. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if an SA'er or two had forwarded this little exchange of words to the NY Att'y G's office. Of course, they are busy people too... ...

FB- Doug

 
Rum Line - I apologize I am not going to share the detailed business plan in a public forum. Business is business :)

I am looking for serious investors and willing to give all the necessary background and figures.

Nitzan
So PONY-UP and Buy a Friggin Ad

Don't just make one in you sig

What have you brought to SA = Jack Squid

you haven't even posted Tits................................ SAD REALLY <_< ;)

 




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