Supreme Court will overturn Roe v Wade

[Marty Gingras]

I can't imagine any Dr would perform your hypothetical.

That's where d'ranger went.  Assuming someone else 'does the right thing' makes it easier to be an abortion absolutist.  I'm good with that.

 

[Marty Gingras]

I am not talking about the case where they both can survive. If you HAVE to pick one, should the state mandate killing the mother or leave it up to the doctor and/or father to choose.

I answered your question.  To reiterate, I'd never pick killing the mother.  Gonna answer my question?

 

[kent_island_sailor]

This is the kind of bullshit you get when you allow Sharia Law to rule a country:

https://www.indiatimes.com/europe/ireland-murders-pregnant-indian-dentist-47214.html

https://www.thejournal.ie/eighth-amendment-4-3977441-Apr2018/

 

[kent_island_sailor]

I answered your question.  To reiterate, I'd never pick killing the mother.  Gonna answer my question?

What was it? Should you have a C-Section if you can? Of course, who wouldn't? How is that a question?

The problem is when the intrusive state inserts itself into the process and a doctor risks possibly life in prison for making a medical judgement call that will be second-guessed by medieval women-hating fuckwits.

 

[Raz'r]

What was it? Should you have a C-Section if you can? Of course, who wouldn't? How is that a question?

The problem is when the intrusive state inserts itself into the process and a doctor risks possibly life in prison for making a medical judgement call that will be second-guessed by medieval women-hating fuckwits.

You might notice that the Y'all Kaida don't seem too interested in what prison penalties the Drs or patients (or enablers) should be subject to. Why is that?

 

[Marty Gingras]

What was it? Should you have a C-Section if you can? Of course, who wouldn't? How is that a question?

It's a heuristic.  From your reply, seems you are not an abortion absolutist.

The problem is when the intrusive state inserts itself into the process and a doctor risks possibly life in prison for making a medical judgement call that will be second-guessed by medieval women-hating fuckwits.

Agreed.

 

[Voyageur]

https://youtu.be/thQ8rpkY3Ps

 

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I understand France has banned abortion after 14 weeks, and Germany 12 weeks.  With exceptions of course for when the life of the mother is in doubt.  These are very liberal countries with all sorts of liberal government benefits that are ubiquitous.  What does the ad hom insult crowd think of that?

 

[shaggy]

With exceptions of course for when the life of the mother is in doubt.

The good old USOF A is not going to have that little nugget in there.  That is the problem..  100%,  so your argument is moot.  Apples to oranges...  

 

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And the "its only up to the woman crowd" seem to have a lot of opinions here.  Any of you parents? If the mom had decided at say 25 weeks to go and abort your kid, you are going to sit here and say that you have (had) no right to say anything or do anything about that? Is that your position.

And please don't reply with insults, you just look even dumber.

 

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The good old USOF A is not going to have that little nugget in there.  That is the problem..  100%,  so your argument is moot.  Apples to oranges...  

in 33 or so states that little nugget++ is in there. and it wasnt an argument it was a question.

 

[Steam Flyer]

I understand France has banned abortion after 14 weeks, and Germany 12 weeks.  With exceptions of course for when the life of the mother is in doubt.  These are very liberal countries with all sorts of liberal government benefits that are ubiquitous.  What does the ad hom insult crowd think of that?

You really are a dumbass. Not an insult, stating a plain fact. Germany and France are parliamentary democracies currently headed by right/centrists coalitions. Have you ever left the county you were born in?

Or does the fact that they are DEMOCRACIES make them "very liberal" IYHO?

- DSK

 

[kent_island_sailor]

I understand France has banned abortion after 14 weeks, and Germany 12 weeks.  With exceptions of course for when the life of the mother is in doubt.  These are very liberal countries with all sorts of liberal government benefits that are ubiquitous.  What does the ad hom insult crowd think of that?

Abortion in France is legal on demand during the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.[1] Abortions at later stages of pregnancy are allowed if two physicians certify that the abortion will be done to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; a risk to the life of the pregnant woman; or that the child will suffer from a particularly severe illness recognized as incurable.[

Abortion in Germany is legal during the first trimester of pregnancy, with exceptions later in pregnancy for physical or mental health reasons

In case anyone was wondering. In both cases late-term abortions are possible if there is a medical need for them.

Here is how these laws would effect abortions in the USA: About 88% of abortions in the US would be "on demand" in France or Germany.

 

[Steam Flyer]

Abortion in France is legal on demand during the first 14 weeks of pregnancy ...  ... Abortion in Germany is legal during the first trimester of pregnancy, with exceptions later in pregnancy for physical or mental health reasons  ...    ...

Yeah but those are both VERY LIBERAL COUNTRIES... goddam heathen commies!

- DSK

 

[shaggybaxter]

I understand France has banned abortion after 14 weeks, and Germany 12 weeks.  With exceptions of course for when the life of the mother is in doubt.  These are very liberal countries with all sorts of liberal government benefits that are ubiquitous.  What does the ad hom insult crowd think of that?

I think you're a fuckwit if you make abortion anything other than the woman's choice. Historically women have always been treated as second class citizens and anytime such oppressions are put under the spotlight, the only defence proves to be 'but that's the way it has always been".

You can choose to keep living in denial because Daddys grandaddys grandaddy did too. In actual fact, churches, be it European, Aussie or American are overly full of fuckwits for this exact reason. 

 

[kent_island_sailor]

I think you're a fuckwit if you make abortion anything other than the woman's choice. Historically women have always been treated as second class citizens and anytime such oppression are put under the spotlight, the only defence proves to be 'but that's the way it has always been".

You can choose to keep living in denial because Daddys grandaddys grandaddy did too. In actual fact, churches, be it European, Aussie or American are overly full of fuckwits for this reason. 

Besides that, neither country banned mid or late term abortions, but they did ad some requirements,s o the entire premise is a lie.

 

[Raz'r]

And the "its only up to the woman crowd" seem to have a lot of opinions here.  Any of you parents? If the mom had decided at say 25 weeks to go and abort your kid, you are going to sit here and say that you have (had) no right to say anything or do anything about that? Is that your position.

And please don't reply with insults, you just look even dumber.

In what state in the US is abortion at week 25 allowed “on demand”?

it’s not in California, so curious where it is?

 

[Steam Flyer]

in 33 or so states that little nugget++ is in there. and it wasnt an argument it was a question.

What about the states which specifically exclude pregnancies resulting from rape?

Is that "little nugget" important?

  ... And please don't reply with insults, you just look even dumber.

Dumber than believing/stating Germany and France are "very liberal countries"?

- DSK

 

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https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions

 

[dfw_sailor]

And the "its only up to the woman crowd" seem to have a lot of opinions here.  Any of you parents? If the mom had decided at say 25 weeks to go and abort your kid, you are going to sit here and say that you have (had) no right to say anything or do anything about that? Is that your position.

And please don't reply with insults, you just look even dumber.

Why did you choose 25 weeks as your litmus test? 25 weeks is a viable fetus.

I'll pick a number - 16 - yes my wife has every right to abort at that stage - she has more rights than me because it is her body. Plus the concept of marital abuse by husbands who demand sex to force a pregnancy that cannot be terminated and thus force the woman to stay in the marriage - as was done in the past - is abhorent to me. Men should never force a woman to have a child. Woman  are not possessions of men. 

ps. still not going to answer why you think previable abortion should be a rare occasion? Still ducking the question?