Supreme Court will overturn Roe v Wade
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shaggybaxter
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Two daughters. Wife is a nurse, mother is a nurse. Niece is a paramedic. All went to Catholic or Anglican private schools, I was brought up Catholic.
Your point was .....what again?
Abortion is none of your, mine or anyone else's business except the woman in question.
You muppet.
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Sol Rosenberg
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Joker
Sol Rosenberg
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dfw_sailor
Super Anarchist
Ahhh so it comes out. Once it is multi cellular, the fetus is now a possession of yours, and if the wife disagrees she can go to hell.
That's fucked up dude.
And you still won't say why you believe previabie termination should be rare.
Or did I miss it?
Fah Kiew Tu
Curmudgeon, First Rank
Bullshit. Maybe the women you know.
Mine - first wife with whom I've had 3 children, professor in medical science, international rep in her field, multiple awards etc etc, would never talk like that.
Cowed, timid woman? ROFLMAO.
Funny thing, both my daughters take no shit either and they don't talk like that. One is married and the other is a single mother by choice.
Seven is right.
FKT
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I think the forms of abortion that I believe should legal should be rare because its expensive, traumatic and inefficient compared to other methods of preventing pregnancy and/or the development of a fetus in a woman.
Fakenews
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Even if they go out of state! I’m not sure how that would jive with interstate commerce laws.
Mrleft8
Super Anarchist
The Demographic Breakdown of Women Who Are Getting Abortions
Curated Article | The Conversation
Giving Compass' Take:
The abortion debate is at the center of U.S. political dialogue. As of June 2018, 49 percent of Americans consider themselves pro-choice, while 45 percent consider themselves pro-life. Voices from both sides flood social media feeds, while newspapers, radio and television programs frequently cover the topic.
Since 2011, politicians have enacted 400 pieces of legislation restricting this medical procedure.
One important group’s voice is often absent in this heated debate: the women who choose abortion. While 1 in 4 women will undergo abortion in her lifetime, stigma keeps their stories untold. As an obstetrician/gynecologist who provides full spectrum reproductive health care, including abortion, I hear these stories daily.
Unintended pregnancy
In 2011, nearly half of pregnancies in the U.S. were unintended. This reflects a 6 percent drop in unintended pregnancies since 2008, largely due to Title X family planning programs and easier access to birth control.
One of my patients is a working mother of two small children. She came to see me when her youngest was five months old. She was breastfeeding and did not think she could become pregnant. She couldn’t afford childcare for a third child, and her family depended on her salary to survive.
Unintended pregnancy remains most common among poor women, women of color and women without a high school education. Women living in poverty have a rate of unintended pregnancy five times higher than those with middle or high incomes. Black women are twice as likely to have an unintended pregnancy as white women.
Barriers to birth control play a major role. Among women with unintended pregnancies, 54 percent were using no birth control. Another 41 percent were inconsistently using birth control at the time of conception.
Forty-two percent of women with unintended pregnancy choose to end their pregnancies.
The women who choose abortion
Abortion is a routine part of reproductive health care. Approximately 25 percent of women in the U.S. will undergo an abortion before the age of 45. The Guttmacher Institute, a research and policy institute in New York City, has been tracking these data for the last 50 years.
American women have abortions with similar frequency to women living in other developed nations. The bulk of abortion patients are in their 20s.
Women of all races and ethnicities choose abortion. In 2014, 39 percent of abortion patients were white, 28 percent were black and 25 percent were Latina. Similarly, women of all religious affiliations choose to end their pregnancies.
Most of these women understand what it means to parent a child. More than half of abortion patients in 2014 were already mothers.
Poor women account for the majority of abortion patients. Fifty-three percent of women pay out-of-pocket for their abortion. The rest use private or state-funded insurance plans.
Women choose abortion for multiple reasons. The most common reason cited is that pregnancy would interfere with education, work or ability to care of dependents.
Financial stress also plays a major role in women’s decision making. Seventy-three percent of women reported that they could not afford a baby at the time. Nearly half cited relationship difficulties or wanting to avoid single motherhood. More than a third of women felt their families were complete.
Twelve percent chose abortion due to their own health problems. For example, one of my patients and her husband were thrilled to find out she was pregnant for the first time. Then she received the diagnosis of metastatic breast cancer. She had to choose between lifesaving chemotherapy and radiation or her pregnancy.
Safety of abortion
Nine in 10 women who receive abortions undergo abortion in the first trimester. Only 1.3 percent of abortions happen with pregnancies past 20 weeks gestation.
When performed legally by skilled practitioners, abortion is a safe medical procedure with a low complication rate. The risk of major complications – such as hospitalization, infection, blood transfusion or surgery – in first-trimester procedures is less than 0.5 percent. The risk of dying in childbirth is 14 times higher than the risk of dying from safe abortion.
Studies show that abortion is not linked to long-term health complications, including breast cancer, infertility, miscarriage or psychiatric disorders. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the nation’s leading professional organization of obstetricians and gynecologists, has reaffirmed the safety of abortion.
Conversely, the negative impacts from abortion restrictions are well-documented. Women unable to obtain abortions are more likely live in poverty or depend on cash assistance, and less likely to work full-time.
Furthermore, banning abortion is ineffective at reducing abortion. Countries with the most restrictive abortion policies have higher rates of abortion, the majority of which are unsafe, performed by untrained individuals without proper equipment or facilities.
In my view, women need safe access to abortion as part of their health care.
Luu D. Ireland, Assistant Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University of Massachusetts Medical School
This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article. The Conversation is a nonprofit news source dedicated to spreading ideas and expertise from academia into the public discourse.
Curated Article | The Conversation
Giving Compass' Take:
- Luu D. Ireland outlines the statistics regarding the demographic information on women who are getting abortions in the United States.
- Research shows that countries with the most restrictive abortion laws have higher rates of abortions. How can funders best support reproductive healthcare? Where is this work most needed?
- Read about how the Roe v. Wade supreme court decision affected women's lives in the U.S.
The abortion debate is at the center of U.S. political dialogue. As of June 2018, 49 percent of Americans consider themselves pro-choice, while 45 percent consider themselves pro-life. Voices from both sides flood social media feeds, while newspapers, radio and television programs frequently cover the topic.
Since 2011, politicians have enacted 400 pieces of legislation restricting this medical procedure.
One important group’s voice is often absent in this heated debate: the women who choose abortion. While 1 in 4 women will undergo abortion in her lifetime, stigma keeps their stories untold. As an obstetrician/gynecologist who provides full spectrum reproductive health care, including abortion, I hear these stories daily.
Unintended pregnancy
In 2011, nearly half of pregnancies in the U.S. were unintended. This reflects a 6 percent drop in unintended pregnancies since 2008, largely due to Title X family planning programs and easier access to birth control.
One of my patients is a working mother of two small children. She came to see me when her youngest was five months old. She was breastfeeding and did not think she could become pregnant. She couldn’t afford childcare for a third child, and her family depended on her salary to survive.
Unintended pregnancy remains most common among poor women, women of color and women without a high school education. Women living in poverty have a rate of unintended pregnancy five times higher than those with middle or high incomes. Black women are twice as likely to have an unintended pregnancy as white women.
Barriers to birth control play a major role. Among women with unintended pregnancies, 54 percent were using no birth control. Another 41 percent were inconsistently using birth control at the time of conception.
Forty-two percent of women with unintended pregnancy choose to end their pregnancies.
The women who choose abortion
Abortion is a routine part of reproductive health care. Approximately 25 percent of women in the U.S. will undergo an abortion before the age of 45. The Guttmacher Institute, a research and policy institute in New York City, has been tracking these data for the last 50 years.
American women have abortions with similar frequency to women living in other developed nations. The bulk of abortion patients are in their 20s.
Women of all races and ethnicities choose abortion. In 2014, 39 percent of abortion patients were white, 28 percent were black and 25 percent were Latina. Similarly, women of all religious affiliations choose to end their pregnancies.
Most of these women understand what it means to parent a child. More than half of abortion patients in 2014 were already mothers.
Poor women account for the majority of abortion patients. Fifty-three percent of women pay out-of-pocket for their abortion. The rest use private or state-funded insurance plans.
Women choose abortion for multiple reasons. The most common reason cited is that pregnancy would interfere with education, work or ability to care of dependents.
Financial stress also plays a major role in women’s decision making. Seventy-three percent of women reported that they could not afford a baby at the time. Nearly half cited relationship difficulties or wanting to avoid single motherhood. More than a third of women felt their families were complete.
Twelve percent chose abortion due to their own health problems. For example, one of my patients and her husband were thrilled to find out she was pregnant for the first time. Then she received the diagnosis of metastatic breast cancer. She had to choose between lifesaving chemotherapy and radiation or her pregnancy.
Safety of abortion
Nine in 10 women who receive abortions undergo abortion in the first trimester. Only 1.3 percent of abortions happen with pregnancies past 20 weeks gestation.
When performed legally by skilled practitioners, abortion is a safe medical procedure with a low complication rate. The risk of major complications – such as hospitalization, infection, blood transfusion or surgery – in first-trimester procedures is less than 0.5 percent. The risk of dying in childbirth is 14 times higher than the risk of dying from safe abortion.
Studies show that abortion is not linked to long-term health complications, including breast cancer, infertility, miscarriage or psychiatric disorders. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the nation’s leading professional organization of obstetricians and gynecologists, has reaffirmed the safety of abortion.
Conversely, the negative impacts from abortion restrictions are well-documented. Women unable to obtain abortions are more likely live in poverty or depend on cash assistance, and less likely to work full-time.
Furthermore, banning abortion is ineffective at reducing abortion. Countries with the most restrictive abortion policies have higher rates of abortion, the majority of which are unsafe, performed by untrained individuals without proper equipment or facilities.
In my view, women need safe access to abortion as part of their health care.
Luu D. Ireland, Assistant Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University of Massachusetts Medical School
This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article. The Conversation is a nonprofit news source dedicated to spreading ideas and expertise from academia into the public discourse.
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Nope. The leaked document is not a "record, voucher, money, or thing of value". according to how those terms are construed and/or defined in this context and in the statute.
"The word “value” means face, par, or market value, or cost price, either wholesale or retail, whichever is greater."
It was given away, and Politico gave it away, for free. And when it changes into a final, published opinion, it will be available for free.
Fakenews
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How is abortion inefficient? It’s 100% effective that’s for sure. You know what’s super efficient, cheap, safe and private? Morning after pills I suspect they will be increasingly popular in Gilead and that there will be a thriving black market.
Mrleft8
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It has monetary value even if it's "Available for free" because it has revenue value in that people will tune in, and advertisers will have exposure.
Nothing is free.
Ease the sheet.
ignoring stupid people is easy
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Mrleft8
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I concur. While they're both idiots, Jizz kid likes to present himself as a lawyer sometimes.
Sol Rosenberg
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Marty Gingras
Mid-range Anarchist
Headed out for a Wednesday Night race that looks to be windy and foggy. Look forward reading about the solution --- or at least progress towards one --- when I get back.
Yeah, I read that earlier today. If that's the *good* news, what are they trying to distract from?
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There are no solutions here, not even anything purported to be a solution. Just lots and lots of nonsense, threats, insults and about .1% legitimate insight.
Sail fast!
Mrleft8
Super Anarchist
Windy and foggy? Isn't that an oxymoron?
I lived on the Headlands in Mendocino, and it was foggy most days, windy some days, but I don't recall windy and foggy at the same time.
