Supreme Court will overturn Roe v Wade

[Se7en]

So, for you... abortion is all about punishing poor women for their promiscuity?

- DSK

Where did you get that from?

My points in this thread have been that R vs W is a poor way of legalising abortion, it would be better to have it unambigously legal. And that in a healthy long term relationship the male's opinion should be of some value to the partnership. If the woman is just saying "my body, fuck off" in every discussion, then that's not my idea of a healthy partnership.

 

[shaggybaxter]

There are no solutions here, not even anything purported to be a solution.  Just lots and lots of nonsense, threats, insults and about .1% legitimate insight. 

Sail fast!

Oh contraire, in the reality of a developed functioning society no solution is needed. As there isn't any problem. 

A state polly had a foot in mouth moment at a breakfast the other day. He was comparing trading partners when he came out with  "comparing the US with developed nations"

He meant to say  "comparing the US with other developed nations".   

Got the biggest laugh of the entire gig, a shade of uncomfortable truth mayhaps?

 

[Se7en]

Is abortion legal for her?  Does she have to get your permission or otherwise notify you or anyone else before getting one? 

Of course it's legal (I live in a civilised country after all) and of course she doesn't need my permission, or to tell me.

But - if we are in a long term relationship - then I expect that we would discuss this stuff rather than have her say "My body, fuck off".

 

[Steam Flyer]

Where did you get that from?

My points in this thread have been that R vs W is a poor way of legalising abortion, it would be better to have it unambigously legal. And that in a healthy long term relationship the male's opinion should be of some value to the partnership. If the woman is just saying "my body, fuck off" in every discussion, then that's not my idea of a healthy partnership.

Nor mine, but that's not what you've proposed so far. And it absolutely should be the woman's choice. Your already gave your vote when you got her pregnant; if further input is desired by her, then she'll let you know.

Of course it's legal (I live in a civilised country after all) and of course she doesn't need my permission, or to tell me.

But - if we are in a long term relationship - then I expect that we would discuss this stuff rather than have her say "My body, fuck off".

But if she does say that, then guess what. You fuck off.

- DSK

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Yeah, I read that earlier today. If that's the *good* news, what are they trying to distract from?

The ruling. Have you heard any elected Republican discussing the draft opinion? Not a one. They are all feigning outrage over the release. The Trumpenjugen are releasing the name of a Breyer clerk to send the outrage her way. All bullshit. 

 

[Steam Flyer]

Nope. The leaked document is not a "record" ....

Words on paper is a record, dude.

- DSK

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Of course it's legal (I live in a civilised country after all) and of course she doesn't need my permission, or to tell me.

But - if we are in a long term relationship - then I expect that we would discuss this stuff rather than have her say "My body, fuck off".

Cool story then, bro. 

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Nope. The leaked document is not a "record, voucher, money, or thing of value".  according to how those terms are construed and/or defined in this context and in the statute.

"The word “value” means face, par, or market value, or cost price, either wholesale or retail, whichever is greater."

It was given away, and Politico gave it away, for free.  And when it changes into a final, published opinion, it will be available for free.

Okay bullshitter. 

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

 

[dfw_sailor]

Where did you get that from?

My points in this thread have been that R vs W is a poor way of legalising abortion, it would be better to have it unambigously legal. And that in a healthy long term relationship the male's opinion should be of some value to the partnership. If the woman is just saying "my body, fuck off" in every discussion, then that's not my idea of a healthy partnership.

Well I suggest that if you have the need for a different partnership in the future you will enter into a sex contract that stipulates any resulting fetus cannot be aborted without your approval, for richer or poorer, and the prime responsibility for the child will be the woman... and see how far that gets you.

And those who are not in a long term relationship? Abstinence? Accidents do happen. So does poor or missing sex ed.

 

[Se7en]

Ugly little rant? Name or quote one single part of it that isn't true.

How long have you been in a successful long term relationship Bub?

28 years? get back to me.

And get back to be when things in lala land go pear shaped and you're faced with losing 65% of everything you own ..how nicey nice will you be to the bearer of your children?

Things can change but the parental responsibilities remain the same and usually are largely on the principal carer ... WHO DAT?

Sorry, we've only had 25 ish years together. Clearly not enough time to obtain your level of expertise.

FWIW, I'm currently the primary carer as I'm doing some part time consulting while my partner is full time. I've done the single parent thing for 3 of the last 8 months while my partner has been in Tas for various reasons. That included having 2 kids locked down at home for 6 weeks while I was still working full time.

Things that weren't true? Well clearly things like divorce haven't happened to me. We actually timed having kids around her career, and I don't think she got bored during the year she spent at home with each of our kids. That took some effort and communication to achieve.

But the main bit that wasn't true about our relationship is that if "she decided to terminate it would be none of your fucking business". As I said, we went into having kids as a partnership and went through all the issues together - including discussion about what to do with a potential trisomy 23.

 

[Se7en]

Nor mine, but that's not what you've proposed so far.

Feel free to show me what I've proposed so far other than "in a healthy long term relationship, the partners should work through these issues together".

 

[dfw_sailor]

Well clearly things like divorce haven't happened to me. We actually timed having kids around her career, and I don't think she got bored during the year she spent at home with each of our kids. That took some effort and communication to achieve.

Congratulations, seriously, you win the lottery.

I say lottery because the majority did not, mostly through luck rather misfortune.

Perhaps you could start viewing the world as a person who has not been so lucky, and then decide what is right for that person.

 

[Se7en]

Well I suggest that if you have the need for a different partnership in the future you will enter into a sex contract that stipulates any resulting fetus cannot be aborted without your approval, for richer or poorer, and the prime responsibility for the child will be the woman... and see how far that gets you.

Why would I want to do that? I have never said that I want to be the one who makes the decisions. My point all along has been that in a healthy long term realtionship both partners discuss and agree on stuff. It's not all on the woman to make decisions alone, and it certainly isn't all up to the man either.

And I sure as hell have never said that the prime responsibility for any child will be the women.

 

[Steam Flyer]

Feel free to show me what I've proposed so far other than "in a healthy long term relationship, the partners should work through these issues together".

You seem kinda defensive. And you seem unwilling to accept that if the woman says fuck off, mind your own business, then you fuck off and mind your own business.

You have yet to acknowledge that conception often occurs in circumstances other than healthy relationships; and that there are often medical cases where the choice is either the unborn or the woman. That's not your business either.

If you're against abortion, fine with me. I'm not urging you to have one. You (and your elk) have completely failed to justify why it should be any business of yours whether anybody else has one.

- DSK

 

[Se7en]

Perhaps you could start viewing the world as a person who has not been so lucky, and then decide what is right for that person.

I only objected to the folks that say "it would be none of your fucking business". And I objected by saying that IN A HEALTHY LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP it should be something discussed and agreed.

I have said nothing about what should happen outside that context. My view would be that a man's opinion is only as important as the commitment he is putting into the woman and kids long term future. If you are not committed to the long haul, then your opinion has no value.

 

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Humanly possible includes illegal things. Good to know.

look at the words after that.  reading comprehension

 

[Fakenews]

Windy and foggy? Isn't that an oxymoron?

 I lived on the Headlands in Mendocino, and it was foggy most days, windy some days, but I don't recall windy and foggy at the same time.

One of my older memories sailing was on my dad’s  Swiftsure 33.  I was around 13 and pretty experienced,  we were headed from Marblehead to Cape Cod and it was honking the entire way broad reaching in fog that was between zero and one mile in visibility.  Was having a great time till we approached the canal and heard a ships horn but couldn’t it.

 

[Se7en]

You seem kinda defensive. And you seem unwilling to accept that if the woman says fuck off, mind your own business, then you fuck off and mind your own business.

You have yet to acknowledge that conception often occurs in circumstances other than healthy relationships; and that there are often medical cases where the choice is either the unborn or the woman. That's not your business either.

If you're against abortion, fine with me. I'm not urging you to have one. You (and your elk) have completely failed to justify why it should be any business of yours whether anybody else has one.

- DSK

Once again - I have only been commenting from the perspective of a long term relationship. If my partner had of said "fuck off, none of your business" then I would have and we would not have been in a relationship any more. I've made no comments from the perspective of an anonomous sperm donor

Dunno if you have had kids - but for both of ours, one of the things the Obstetrician asks for is who is going to be there to give consent in the event that the woman is not capable. In both cases that was me - it would have been exactly my choice between the unborn or the woman. So it was my business. Do you not have this in the US? (Effectively power of attorney)

I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm anti abortion from? In this thread I've said that the US should make abortion unambigously legal. I even differ with most in saying I think it should be 'at request' up until around 28 weeks, then with medical support after that point

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Here you go, bullshitters. good company you keep.