SV Seeker

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Has anybody here tried to calculate the SA/D for Seeker? I tried and got 13 at the most optimistic, a little over 12 for what I think was a bit more realistic (+loaded with 10,000lbs of diesel).

I look forward to the inevitable Werner Herzog film of Seeker. "Salt and Steel: One Man's Journey Into Madness."

This absolutely needs to happen, and I will pay good money to watch it in the theater.
 

Max Rockatansky

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In one video he mentions calling around to various venues on the Gulf Coast and as soon as he said "live aboard" there was an abrupt lack of hospitality, but Pirate's Cove said no problem, happy to have him! How long will stay put?
He’s not actually at Pirate’s Cove. Their docks are on the north side, in Roberts Bayou. He’s anchored out in the open-ish water just off the ICW
 

TwoLegged

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Has anybody here tried to calculate the SA/D for Seeker? I tried and got 13 at the most optimistic, a little over 12 for what I think was a bit more realistic (+loaded with 10,000lbs of diesel).
I haven't run any numbers at all, but I had assumed that the SA/D would be less than 10.

I am sure that Pontiki's calcs are way better than my hunch. But the higher number seems to to me to make Seeker's alarming lack of stability even more of a hazard.

It will be fun to see what happens if Doug ever hoists full sail in anything other than a windless flat calm.
 

chester

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Has anybody here tried to calculate the SA/D for Seeker? I tried and got 13 at the most optimistic, a little over 12 for what I think was a bit more realistic (+loaded with 10,000lbs of diesel).



This absolutely needs to happen, and I will pay good money to watch it in the theater.
was the lead he piled into the diesel tanks lready on the boat thus reducing the weight of the diesl hi can carry? or did he bring the lead on to stuff in the tanks and do we know how much lead there was?
 

Panope

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He poured a certified metric shit ton of lead into the keels (that have a large "bulb").

My armchair guess is that stability will be similar to many successful motorsailer type vessels.

Keeping the water out of his hull ports (when heeled) will be the thing to watch out for.

 

Grrr...

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He poured a certified metric shit ton of lead into the keels (that have a large "bulb").

My armchair guess is that stability will be similar to many successful motorsailer type vessels.

Keeping the water out of his hull ports (when heeled) will be the thing to watch out for.


If that was true, his vessel wouldn't tip from a single person walking to the rail. 1000 lbs in a vessel that large is nothing.
 

Grrr...

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Ugh. You made me go and re-watch (skim) some of his video's.

It was 20,000 lbs into the keels.

Where on earth did you get the 1000 pound figure?
I gotta apologize. I watched the first video and saw them add up the 1000 lbs. That's where that video ended. Didn't realize there were multiple videos. I cannot offer you enough apologies for making you watch that tripe.
 

LiquidSun

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I gotta apologize. I watched the first video and saw them add up the 1000 lbs. That's where that video ended. Didn't realize there were multiple videos. I cannot offer you enough apologies for making you watch that tripe.
The 1000lbs figure was from the lead bars he had stacked on the foredeck for like 9months.
https://forums.sailinganarchy.com/threads/sv-seeker.222077/post-7978985

I think he had another ~2000lbs 1700lbs of lead he tossed in the starboard (?) diesel tank(s) in a failed effort to correct the list.

Before heading down to the Gulf... He finally moved the loose bars below decks, now piled loose around the base of the foremast.
 
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Panope

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Panope is a tender boat. Probably more tender than any body else's boat in this forum (Main is reefed at 12 knots). Here are the numbers/reasons:

Low(ish) ballast ratio - 32%
Shallow Draft - 4'
Narrow WL beam - 9'
Deep Vee hull Section (buoyancy where you do not want it)
Wheel house addition (500 pounds of weight where you do not want it)
Fuel stored above WL (gonna change that soon)
Center of effort 1.5 feet above the Design Sail Plan

All of the above is screaming TENDER.

Seeker's characteristics are similar to the above but it has the advantage of being larger (ever notice how the old square riggers could beat the wrong way around the horn with no keel, and no ballast other than the cargo, yet a child's toy 12 meter will be flattened in a 15 knot puff out on the pond?)

The point I am trying to make is that (initially) tender boats can and do "sail". I will double down on my prediction that Seeker will be able to carry enough sail to move around. Might gain a bit to windward if Doug can get the sails into a decent shape. His decks will be awash ALOT. Keeping the water out will be a challenge. I will not comment about structural integrity, rust control, or system reliability.

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Diarmuid

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He collected wheel weights for years and years........

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13 years ago. That makes a kind of sense -- predated the steep rise in lead salvage prices around 8 years ago. At one point, wholesalers were buying semi-pure lead (like wheel weights, fishing weights, spent bullets from firing ranges) at $1.10/lb. Lead acid batteries were fetching $0.25/lb wholesale, and about $0.10/lb paid to the general public at a salvage yard. I got handed $720 USD cash for a dozen large telecom batts I took to the local crushers.o_O That's a chief reason the second-hand industrial battery supply almost disappeared. Worth more as salvage than as resale.

So good timing, Dougster. Even with the wholesale price currently at $0.45, you wouldn't be collecting wheel weights from many tire stores today.
 




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