SV Seeker

Sail4beer

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That is scary stuff right there. I actually hope he doesn’t get anywhere near 10 knots. In fact, I’d ditch the whole pole and rag combo and just use a tiny steadying sail and have the short(I mean REALLY short) boom be their means of transferring more uniquely unnecessary anomalies aboard at port.
 

Munz

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And this applies to recreational leisure craft in exactly what manner? Which, in case you've forgotten, was part of the original discussion.
For fucks sake! Who brought up steel ships in the first place? You did, and I was merely pointing out they don't last that long, so maybe that's not a winning argument.....

You made the original statement, that's the one I called as bullshit.
What original statement?
This is the second time I asked you!

I've said that salt water is corrosive, and I've implied that commercial ships have a reasonably limited economic lifespan.

Steel boats have at least as long a life as any other material if properly cared for.
I've never claimed otherwise, although I would draw attention to an important caveat which you yourself have just made now (in bold above)

In the commercial world I'd say it was usually the systems that reach the obsolescent/uneconomic to repair point long before the hull. To make your point, you'd have to show that steel ships were being scrapped due to rust/hull failure rather than systems obsolescence. But you won't. You'll try to distract.
You just informed us that commercial shipping wasn't relevant above, but your still carrying on about an "irrelevant" subject that you raised in the first place...

As for knowing the difference between anecdote & data - you've yet to provide any so my anecdotes trump your (lack of) data.
In the steel boat community the typical lifespan of steel ships is common enough knowledge that I felt it was redundant to specify it myself, I can't really be arsed finding some primary data, so you win!
Congratulations, I hope you feel warm and fuzzy inside! (But not to much so, remember, it's not really relevant according to you)
Whatever. I predict that SV Seeker meets its end a LONG time before rust eats its hull,
Your prediction may well be right, but I think it would be a shame if she capsized and/or sank, she would make a half decent river/ICW cruiser or houseboat if relieved of her masts and a few other things.


so the fact that steel - IF UNPROTECTED - corrodes in a marine environment is irrelevant.
That's kind of the problem, steel hulls have an indefinite lifespan as long as they are properly maintained and protected, and that rarely happens for various reasons (economic or otherwise). It only takes a few years of neglect for a steel boat to deteriorated to the point that it's not worth saving, It can of course be done, but at the end of the day your better off building a new boat.... (But why would anyone be crazy enough to do that ;)


Here's a stunning fact for you to ponder.

Timber ROTS and boring organisms like teredo and gribble EAT it in many marine environments. Oh woe, nobody should ever build a timber boat. It just won't last.

Yet somehow they do...

FKT
Great, so you bring up wooden boats now, I can see how this is going to go: I answer and two post later your going to call bullshit on me and claim that wooden boats aren't relevant aren't you?

Nice try ;)
 

LiquidSun

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Dug like boat. Boat make Dug think.

River water confuse Dug. Dug fix river water, crescent wrench.

Dug think bucket better head.

(old video from March 2022)
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dfw_sailor

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Dug like boat. Boat make Dug think.

River water confuse Dug. Dug fix river water, crescent wrench.

Dug think bucket better head.

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Dug like boat. Boat make Dug think.

River water confuse Dug. Dug fix river water, crescent wrench.

Dug think bucket better head.

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I've had enough of dealing with fools today... So I can't bear to watch any of his crap tonight.

Did he really put a check valve in? Swing checks do leak water through unless the pressure is sufficient to seat them (unlikely in this application) and spring checks require too much pressure to open unless he has a pressurized macerator in line. And if course a swing check can jam open with detritus in low pressure scenarios (15 psi or less).

Forgive me if I am missing something.
 
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Zonker

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Bronze or monel for me.
I was surprised to just read in Wikipedia that Monel is NOT a cupronickel (too low a percentage of copper apparently). It has more nickel than copper. I've always used them interchangeably.

Dug's head is sinking his boat. Why am I not surprised he didn't read the instructions for installing it? You know, like fitting a vented loop if it's below the waterline or heeled waterline.
 

LiquidSun

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I've had enough of dealing with fools today... So I can't bear to watch any of his crap tonight.
This was an old video from March with Dug correcting list with lead weights in the diesel. I LOL'd with Dug trying to figure out his own un-labeled plumbing... and thought a few screenshots would be good for a laugh. This is old classic Dug. Sorry for any confusion.
 

Sail4beer

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I was surprised to just read in Wikipedia that Monel is NOT a cupronickel (too low a percentage of copper apparently). It has more nickel than copper. I've always used them interchangeably.

Dug's head is sinking his boat. Why am I not surprised he didn't read the instructions for installing it? You know, like fitting a vented loop if it's below the waterline or heeled waterline.
Shhh, wouldn’t want you to jinx us and have him catch wind of your crazy idea.
 

Sail4beer

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“Well, the directions only came in English, French, some Mexican or Spanish stuff, German and like Chinese or something. Nothing in American.”

Doug “The Seeker”
 

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