Sail4beer
Starboard!
Keep that in mind when you take flight!
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Keep that in mind when you take flight!
George Graves
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Mary E. Warner - Betsy's mom
Charles Sade - "C-Money"- the guy with the dread locks
Richard Day 42fab guy - a local welder
Eric Montague - Doug's paint guy
Charles Sade - "C-Money"- the guy with the dread locks
Richard Day 42fab guy - a local welder
Eric Montague - Doug's paint guy
Kleenbreeze2
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I never saw a steel Pinky before. Not sure if it is right to do thatHere is a tale of a Colvin junk that a friend on mine built. He was living aboard with his growing family in Coral Bay St John and had a fully functional machine shop on board. He was a competent machinist/welder and did quite well fabricating and repairing for the liveaboard fleet in the VI. You could raft up next to his boat and he would get right to work. His reputation grew and he was getting work on island as well. He had a nice design for a wedding band that he turned from old SS prop shafts. The had a bronze inlay around them which he fitted by heating the bronze ring and cooling the shaft and the inlay would snap right into the lathe turned rebate for the bronze. He could be rather opinionated and always insisted on doing things 'his way' but maybe that is just a pre-requisite for a junk builder.
He started sailing back to New England after several steady years in the VI, maybe the growing kids having to visit Grandparents or the like. The boat had conventional headsails and was pretty handy and he even raced it in cruising class occasionally. I was shocked to read of the end of his boat a few years back on Fire Island. Here are some photos and the sad turn of events that led to the loss of the boat.
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Take note of the ALUMINUM light standard mast!
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Park gave the guy a reasonable period of time to haul the boat off but it was uninsured and he didn't have the funds. Worse part was that his teenage son and a couple of friends had taken the boat out without Dad's permission and put it in the surf. It was finally dragged off the beach and ashore to be cut up. Kids must not have been able to read...
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It looks like there was a local effort to raise funds to help the 'angry dad' get his boat off the beach and under sail again.
WILL LE PAPILLON EVER SAIL AGAIN???YOU CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN
I. We hear the angry dad might be considering options anywhere from salvage to restoration. Vote below whether you think LePapillon deserves a chance to sail another day. It might cost a fortune to right her, but it does have a steel hull, and all. Perhaps we could run a fundraiser to get her off the beach and back under sail. Saltaire often hosts fundraisers that make a lot of money for for hopeless causes. This could be one of the greatest fundraisers Dune 13 has ever seen. Bigger than "Save the Oak Beach Inn" or "Slow Down Moses." This can be our fundraising poem to Save the LePapillon:
I found another article and was relieved to read that the builder and original owner that I knew in the Islands had sold the boat.
All kinds of rumors have been swirling about regarding the mortal remains of this 48-foot Thomas Colvin pinky schooner, Le Papillon, that went aground on Fire Island back on March 31. The photo you see here, from Will Van Dorp’s Tugster blog, was taken just a few days ago and shows how the boat is being consumed by beach sand.
The gist of the rumors is as follows: Bertil Haney, 19, of Harrington, Maine, with two others as crew–Daniel Bolander and Victoria Parsons, both 20–borrowed Le Papillon, which purportedly belongs to Haney’s father, from a marina in Baltimore and took off for Maine sometime last month. Reportedly, they ran aground soon after leaving the marina, again on the New Jersey shore, and finally much more permanently on Fire Island. Reportedly, too, Haney did not have permission to take the boat. The boat’s documentation, it should be noted, lists one Bertil James Haney as the owner, and cites Bertil James Haney and Thomas Francis Lemm as previous owners.
Not long after going aground the boat was listed for sale on Craigslist for $15,000, but the listing has since been taken down. Allegedly, it was not posted by the boat’s owner, but by some creative local salvage artist. Currently it is believed the owner is seeking permits to have the boat pulled out and trucked off the island, but may be thwarted in this, as the boat and truck together exceed the weight limit for the one poorly maintained bridge to the mainland.
Another view of Le Papillon in her current state/Photo by Will Van Dorp
The boat is well known in the cruising community. I remember anchoring near her once at Coral Bay in St. John’s many years ago, and I admired her greatly at the time. I’ve always had a soft spot for pinkies, so I do hope Papillon somehow manages to get off that beach. She is built out of steel, so can easily survive all this abuse, though of course she’ll need a massive refit if she ever floats again.
The problem is Doug is so attached & enamored with his bad decisions... that it won't get fixed. But here is a list that would help address the forecast stability issues:
All the problems with the electrical, hydraulics, engine, transmission & prop are still liabilities.
George Graves
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He added several tons of wood to the boat. 3/4" IIRC - mill that down to 3/8" (1/4"?) and reinstall?
Crump's Brother
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My Jim Rockford intuition shows:
1. SPatton does in fact sail an F28 in Belize.
2. He is somewhat 'green' in experience with said F28, but we all were at one point.
3. He treats SA like a combative place in Reddit, rather than an encyclopedia of knowledge, especially M.A. where there are hundreds of multihull sailors with decades of experience.
Mr. SPatton, I'd say make your amends here, and move forward. If you do not like this thread, head on out. Or stay, we'll leave the light on for ya.
1. SPatton does in fact sail an F28 in Belize.
2. He is somewhat 'green' in experience with said F28, but we all were at one point.
3. He treats SA like a combative place in Reddit, rather than an encyclopedia of knowledge, especially M.A. where there are hundreds of multihull sailors with decades of experience.
Mr. SPatton, I'd say make your amends here, and move forward. If you do not like this thread, head on out. Or stay, we'll leave the light on for ya.
Liquid
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Put the 'boom' over centerline and motor forward to fill the 'sail'.
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Guy in the video who is part of the Seachest foundation is the one who came up with the "research fish traps" excuse:
Well, the removal of abandoned fishing gear from the reefs is a project that we thought would be a good choice to get our "toes wet". The Department of Fisheries in Antigua realizes that abandoned fish pots and other gear within the protected areas are a big issue. Cades Reef has numerous abandoned pots and longline nets scattered on the reef. These waters are known to some of the crew and the Antigua Marine Life Project has requested assistance due to the lack of available vessels and limited funds. We will also be working with researchers from the Antigua Marine Life Project to survey the reefs for sun bleaching of coral, invasive species survey and collect samples for the study of micro plastics in the waters around the island.
So, for you to say that it is BS about fish traps, you are sorely mistaken.
He has been scuba diving in Antigua for a couple of years.
The "Antigua Marine Life Project" sounds kinda official but when you look into them they seem more scuba enthousiasts than research types.
Doug when asked about the project:
Question:
Is Doug ever going to answer my question about the recovery project that was on sea chest foundation's website?
Doug:
Hold yourself together. You still need to tell me what you mean by "recovery project"
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Your third point needs more nuance.
There is no particular way that I "treat SA."
Instead, I treat each poster as that poster deserves to be treated (IMHO).
I will cop to painting with too broad of a brush sometimes--such as by referring to all posters in this thread in a negative way. I only meant those posters doing the negative things I was referring to, and I shouldn't have applied it to everyone. But it's like 90%, so whatever.
And I do like this thread, I plan to stay. I'm not too proud of it, but I know myself well enough to say that I kind of enjoy being hated on by people I view as idiots.
fukupananvil
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Fukin hilarious. Pathetic too.
Crump's Brother
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Sir, the idiot in this thread is Doog.
The people in this thread (some, maybe not so much the reddits) live and breathe sailing. We are not here as off the street people. So when someone says "omfg Doog did this" it is not likely out of hate, but experience. Like when I told Doog his wiring met NO naval standards and the vessel would not be insurable to haul researchers around. And that's just the beginning sir.
A constructive conversation would be how Seekers finances will work while offshore given the 501c3. That's where you could add your input instead of insults.
KB
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Nope.
First of all, Doug hasn't posted in this thread to my knowledge. So he's not "in this thread" at all.
Second, many people in this thread have predicted disaster at every turn. They said the boat would sink immediately. They said it would turtle. They said it wouldn't get down the river.
They were proven wrong at every stage.
What do they do? Well, predict disaster for the next stage, of course.
And on it goes.
My grandkids will be reading threads saying "Space/V Seeker won't make it to Mars again" written by the grandkids of the idiots posting in this thread right now.
Sail4beer
Starboard!
Wrong again
Crump's Brother
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You got hair bro!
Wow, you're such a sleuthy sleuth, you sleuth you. You sleuthed me out.
I mean, I really did try to make it difficult for you. When I created my SA username, I never thought that anyone would think this is my real first initial followed by my real last name. That's why I used it--to throw people off the scent.
But it didn't work for you, you sleuthy sleuth. You just sleuthed up my real identity using those big brains of yours.
Crump's Brother
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Aww crap, there goes my referral fee... Hey SPittoon, Doog needs a good offshore tax lawyer. And he's from your neck of the woods.
Crump's Brother
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Dude, I'm tryin to play nice cause I'm a nutter multihull sailor too.
And to Mr SPatton, you are welcome anytime to join in the fun with the C.TX. multihull fleet. I can get ya on my boat or many other f's and sprints in the fleet when you pass thru here. We have some of the most experienced f boat sailors here.
KB
And to Mr SPatton, you are welcome anytime to join in the fun with the C.TX. multihull fleet. I can get ya on my boat or many other f's and sprints in the fleet when you pass thru here. We have some of the most experienced f boat sailors here.
KB
Cool, thanks.
