SV Seeker

[fukupananvil]

Sir, the idiot in this thread is Doog.
The people in this thread (some, maybe not so much the reddits) live and breathe sailing. We are not here as off the street people. So when someone says "omfg Doog did this" it is not likely out of hate, but experience. Like when I told Doog his wiring met NO naval standards and the vessel would not be insurable to haul researchers around. And that's just the beginning sir.

A constructive conversation would be how Seekers finances will work while offshore given the 501c3. That's where you could add your input instead of insults.
KB

I see 3 phases so far in this thing:

1. Basic build on the hard, with outside funding and 501c setup.

2. Splash and move to salt water, mv sea (river) trials.

3. Having reached salt water, rig sails and sv sea trials.

Actions speak louder than words. It appears having reached phase 3 he, and now his $ advisor, are worried men, facing the reality of this whole situation. It is a long way to the Antilles, to reach an invited research project contrived by a board director. Rather incestuous. Waves and wind along the way. In general the Captain has trended dark with more controlling of the available info getting out, ie the reddit stuff. The path tracking is dark for a few days lately. I am no shrink but it seems he is a narcissist who needs to always be in control and right trying to show everything is going fine and as planned, or if not it is fixable. The "sailing" video speaks volumes. The absence of video of actual sailing matching the marine motion tracking record is suspect. It is easy to generate video of a sv moving through water under sail, especially with a drone and tender available, yet that video fails to do it. An effort aided by a foundation director. Dreadlocks says 1 knot in 4 knot winds achieved. No comment on currents. The foundation of his status as 501c, and ultimate ability to deliver as promised, is showing more cracks and issues are poking up under the rug - insurance, performance, inspections, certifications, crew and researcher acccomodations, seaworthiness, mv range, etc. The $ lawyer is arguing at length here about this that and the other thing. I reckon this site has alerted them to some of his fundamental errors in the build, yet the Captain and $ individual would never admit to same. He may realize when encountering wind and waves, sea conditions he cannot control once leaving port, some shit ain't fixable. That video may be an attempt at pleasing and assuring donors all is proceeding and progressing well towards research in the Lesser Antilles, or perhaps up the East Coast (seems goalposts might be moving). I hadn't noticed the grimace since August but did wonder about CO poisoning possibly starting to happen. I suppose not much is running at night when he's below deck. Seems some worried folks are paying attention to the musings on SA, and trying to argue against there being truth in any such pontifications. I say, follow the money, and physics is a bitch.

 

[opcn]

So which did ya end up choosing Mr Spatten, Dacron or mylar?

Seems like r/philosphy doesn't think much of taxtalkinguy's critical thinking skills either

Edit: Taxtalkinguy 's greatest hits

 

[Kleenbreeze2]

The problem is Doug is so attached & enamored with his bad decisions... that it won't get fixed. But here is a list that would help address the forecast stability issues:



All the problems with the electrical, hydraulics, engine, transmission & prop are still liabilities.

Thanks, iow the main problems in your eyes is it is too top heavy. Can he fix that with a gaff rig and some lighter masts? Maybe lose the crane. But assuming he justs wants something that can safely motor can that vessel be salvaged without hauling it out.

His boat imo is extremely heavy overall but the weight is pretty low. Or at least it would be without that monstrosity of a rig and masts. My experience in the Bering sea is that heavy boats with low COG are actually extremely stable. Thats what happens when boats start to take on water and sink. They become heavy and if the weight is low, like a bad hatch cover over the lazarette, you don´t notice a problem because the boat feels stable.

I don´t know if Seeker can ever be a safe blue water sailing boat. But it might be enough if he can salvage the dream and use it as a safe coastal liveaboard.

What I don´t know is if that boat has enough dynamic stability to even be in 4 meters swells even if you chopped off the rig and crane.

Just asking. I think Doug needs an escape clause in his contract to turn this into a win so he doesn´t end up learning by dying.

 

[Jim in Halifax]

I don´t know if Seeker can ever be a safe blue water sailing boat. But it might be enough if he can salvage the dream and use it as a safe coastal liveaboard zombie derelict.

What I don´t know is if that boat has enough dynamic stability to even be in 4 meters swells 50 cm ripples even if you chopped off the rig and crane.

Just asking. I think Doug needs an escape clause in his contract hatch in his cabin to turn this into a win so he doesn´t end up learning by dying.

Made a few corrections, but otherwise a good summary.

 

[opcn]

My opinion has been that Doug's best bet would be to find some little slow corner of the ICW, empty out all the weight he can, full speed into the mud at high tide in a low pressure system, then load it up as much as he can to sink it down into place on the bottom then offer his services to other boat bums repairing broken bits on their boats. In a decade or two pull it off, get the bottom scraped off and repainted, and do it again. He could spend the rest of his days wedged comfortably in a public waterway out of the channel.

 

[Titilingus]

I see 3 phases so far in this thing:

1. Basic build on the hard, with outside funding and 501c setup.

2. Splash and move to salt water, mv sea (river) trials.

3. Having reached salt water, rig sails and sv sea trials.

Actions speak louder than words. It appears having reached phase 3 he, and now his $ advisor, are worried men, facing the reality of this whole situation. It is a long way to the Antilles, to reach an invited research project contrived by a board director. Rather incestuous. Waves and wind along the way. In general the Captain has trended dark with more controlling of the available info getting out, ie the reddit stuff. The path tracking is dark for a few days lately. I am no shrink but it seems he is a narcissist who needs to always be in control and right trying to show everything is going fine and as planned, or if not it is fixable. The "sailing" video speaks volumes. The absence of video of actual sailing matching the marine motion tracking record is suspect. It is easy to generate video of a sv moving through water under sail, especially with a drone and tender available, yet that video fails to do it. An effort aided by a foundation director. Dreadlocks says 1 knot in 4 knot winds achieved. No comment on currents. The foundation of his status as 501c, and ultimate ability to deliver as promised, is showing more cracks and issues are poking up under the rug - insurance, performance, inspections, certifications, crew and researcher acccomodations, seaworthiness, mv range, etc. The $ lawyer is arguing at length here about this that and the other thing. I reckon this site has alerted them to some of his fundamental errors in the build, yet the Captain and $ individual would never admit to same. He may realize when encountering wind and waves, sea conditions he cannot control once leaving port, some shit ain't fixable. That video may be an attempt at pleasing and assuring donors all is proceeding and progressing well towards research in the Lesser Antilles, or perhaps up the East Coast (seems goalposts might be moving). I hadn't noticed the grimace since August but did wonder about CO poisoning possibly starting to happen. I suppose not much is running at night when he's below deck. Seems some worried folks are paying attention to the musings on SA, and trying to argue against there being truth in any such pontifications. I say, follow the money, and physics is a bitch.

My main concern, apart from Doug being a bit thick and ignoring advice from many (much more than qualified than me) posters saying "Doug, that's a bad idea, how about this?.." and him saying "Fuck off", is the fact he really could kill people in a capsize...which to be honest, if we had a sweep stakes, will happen in 25-30kts MAX and 2M seas off the coast...did someone say they had a sweep stakes?

I may not know much about NA, but I know if advice was given to me during a build I would readily accept it, we sailors, do in fact like to help out others in the community. Even though I know nothing, at least I can contribute beer/humour and listen.

I have seen the instability when 2 people walked to the starboard side in port, the roll is not conductive of vessel stability (roll momentum). WTF do I know? Nothing, but, even dipshit me can see than the roll momentum is deadly.
This Dougie prick, in the name of Patreon and Youtube funding subscribers, is not prepared to be a man and say "You know what gang, I may have got this wrong, SV Seeker should be an inland/river coasting vessel." FFS, in the name of sanity, fuck your subscription money and think about those idiots who trust you onboard, all life is precious to be fair.
Unfortunately, as history shows, The advice will be a clanging bell unlistened to by this fuck, and he'll ultimately kill those who thought "Wow, what a great influencer of our time. He's sticking it to the man.."
Just sad to see the future and knowing that they are laughing at impending doom.
I rest my case.

 

[SPatton]

Man, you guys are so close to finding the real connection between me and Doug.

Keep digging. I believe in you.

 

[SPatton]

I have seen the instability when 2 people walked to the starboard side in port, the roll is not conductive of vessel stability (roll momentum). WTF do I know? Nothing, but, even dipshit me can see than the roll momentum is deadly.

Can you post a timestamped link? Thanks.

 

[Crump's Brother]

Would D/V Sinker be capable of the 'Pirate themed dolphin cruise' say in Destin?

Doog's a PT Barnum kinda fella that could make that happen. Hell it could even be entertaining. Hearing Sir Doog in his pirate LARP talking about dolphins, mermaids and shit. Be cheaper than a whole re-rig of Sinker. Just motor out to the jetties and back to the harbor, listening to the ohhh's and ahhh's.
KB

 

[Titilingus]

Man, you guys are so close to finding the real connection between me and Doug.

Keep digging. I believe in you.

How's the job market?

 

[Liquid]

I kind of enjoy being hated on by people I view as idiots.

Thanks for that.

That's some funny shit right there!

 

[Crump's Brother]

Man, you guys are so close to finding the real connection between me and Doug.

Keep digging. I believe in you.

Mr. SPatton,
You are an expert in this.
How would I go about setting up a 501c3 to pay for operation on my pleasure vessel, (non-commercial so no coast guard, insurance, standards, etc.) offshore of course, to take 'researchers' out? Meanwhile I have no real qualifications to operate said vessel because it is not a commercial vessel, even though it is being used to take researchers out on missions and the 501c3 is used to pay operating cost. I'm raising funds domestically, but all business is being conducted offshore.
Thoughts, Mr. Patton?

 

[Titilingus]

Can you post a timestamped link? Thanks.

Emm.no, fuck off Mr Seeker offshore account manager. Do your own search, it's all there.

 

[LiquidSun]

Here is a tale of a Colvin junk that a friend on mine built. Another view of Le Papillon in her current state/Photo by Will Van Dorp
The boat is well known in the cruising community. I remember anchoring near her once at Coral Bay in St. John’s many years ago, and I admired her greatly at the time. I’ve always had a soft spot for pinkies, so I do hope Papillon somehow manages to get off that beach. She is built out of steel, so can easily survive all this abuse, though of course she’ll need a massive refit if she ever floats again.

Sad to see those photos and hear the fate of Le Papillon. I see a ship who was built and maintained to outlast her builder.

 

[Kleenbreeze2]

Thanks all for their input. I detect a scintilla of negativity but maybe it is fully warranted.

I esp concur with titilingus that something about the sailing and river boating vids gives this impression of severe instability and other than too much weight too high I can´t account for that feeling.

Maybe Doug will stay inland and make something good happen. But without insurance there prolly aren´t many divine options. But he can live aboard and spend every hour fixing and refitting it forever. And in agua dulce.

 

[SPatton]

Seeker offshore account manager

What's your evidence for that claim?

 

[Titilingus]

Damn.

That's a good-looking sumbitch right there.

...said the syphilitic whore offshore Seeker account manager whose hands fell off stroking the Seeker bishop through the graveyard of Hopium, youtube and patreon fairy dust sprinkled with unicorn dust. Just don't mention capsize or corporate manslaughter, hey? Jesus wept. Lives will be lost if this fucking monstrosity goes into a proper offshore situation.

 

[Sail4beer]

Ever the barnfly, aren’t you, Stu? Take some time to notice the beautiful flowers.

 

[Titilingus]

What's your evidence for that claim?

I can smell a cat's chuff at 100m.

 

[kent_island_sailor]

Sad to see those photos and hear the fate of Le Papillon. I see a ship who was built and maintained to outlast her builder.

When I was aboard her she was a bit rough, but nothing some paint and TLC couldn't fix. She was wearing that "been around the world" patina. I recall one young boy aboard, he was thrilled that we brought more kids around his age for fun and games. They were anchored in Oxford, which is lacking in children, the average there is about 254 or so