SV Seeker

[George Graves]

 

[Arcot]

Can someone give me the low down on why everyone is shitting all over this guy and his project?

Skipped through a few of his videos. Don't get the hate.

Is that you Doug?

Perhaps:

Fake serious head injury incident
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Reinventing the wheel many times
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Lack of self awareness
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Dangerous use of tools
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Disregard for norms and perhaps laws
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Possible pollution from heads to ocean
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Sharp metal pieces above berths
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More?

 

[Autonomous]

Can someone give me the low down on why everyone is shitting all over this guy and his project?

Skipped through a few of his videos. Don't get the hate.

Interesting thread for a first post... Are you Doug or a fanboi?
What you are seeing is frustration rather than hate.

 

[Al Paca]

Can someone give me the low down on why everyone is shitting all over this guy and his project?

Skipped through a few of his videos. Don't get the hate.

Hot Rod???

 

[minca3]

Can someone give me the low down on why everyone is shitting all over this guy and his project?

Skipped through a few of his videos. Don't get the hate.

Started watching the guy when he finally got Seeker launched and was routing for him, impressed with his perseverance.

Watched him motoring down the Mississippi and fumble around with his sail system and drive train and thought - yeah, not the engineering approach - but hey, if it works for him.
The more videos I watched the more I thought - "yeah, that doesn't make sense" or "that's not going to work".

Gradually I got annoyed by him lecturing, especially given that he has no background in engineering, naval architecture or sailing.

And then I noticed that he might not be such a nice guy after all: there are comments here in this thread that go like "... X is only done by weak men who were raised by their mother who was a woman". I thought that was a meme invented here. But no, I eventually read FB posts of him with unmistakably misogynist content. That didn't go down well given that my mother died a few months ago, she was a central figure in my family.

I also witnessed his thin skin 1st hand: I asked something like "... were you able to find the cause of problem X?" on his FB group, and he deleted the post and kicked me out.

And then there is the boat building itself: time and time again people are telling him to not do "X" because it will lead to problem "Y". He does "X", lectures everyone why "X" is the brain move and then, when it has issues in operation, he claims that the issues are actually a good thing. As if his audience are a bunch of 3 year olds.

In the end people either get pissed off and ignore him and his project. Or, like most people here, watch the train wreck unfold in slow motion. I don't think people here hate him, but the things in front of you are just so stupid and you can't tell the guy - hey, watch out, this might cause problems. So bystanders are restricted to just watch this insanity unfold.

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

I don't think people here hate him, but the things in front of you are just so stupid and you can't tell the guy - hey, watch out, this might cause problems. So bystanders are restricted to just watch this insanity unfold.

I certainly don't hate him, in fact I admire his spirit.

It's just his judgement, hubris and toxic personality I have issues with.

But hey, if you're not part of the solution, you can derive considerable entertainment out of watching the slowly evolving shit-show...

FK

 

[fukupananvil]

Mow, mow, mow your boat gently down the stream,
Merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream.

 

[robtoujours]

Gradually I got annoyed by him lecturing, especially given that he has no background in engineering, naval architecture or sailing.

And then I noticed that he might not be such a nice guy after all: there are comments here in this thread that go like "... X is only done by weak men who were raised by their mother who was a woman". I thought that was a meme invented here. But no, I eventually read FB posts of him with unmistakably misogynist content. That didn't go down well given that my mother died a few months ago, she was a central figure in my family.

I also witnessed his thin skin 1st hand: I asked something like "... were you able to find the cause of problem X?" on his FB group, and he deleted the post and kicked me out.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

People misunderstand the term, often associating it entirely with grandiosity, which is only one trait, that may or may not be present.

(From a mental health website)

"The word narcissism gets tossed around a lot in our selfie-obsessed, celebrity-driven culture, often to describe someone who seems excessively vain or full of themselves. But in psychological terms, narcissism doesn't mean self-love—at least not of a genuine sort. It's more accurate to say that people with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are in love with an idealized, grandiose image of themselves.

And they're in love with this inflated self-image precisely because it allows them to avoid deep feelings of insecurity. But propping up their delusions of grandeur takes a lot of work—and that's where the dysfunctional attitudes and behaviors come in.

Narcissistic personality disorder involves a pattern of self-centered, arrogant thinking and behavior, a lack of empathy and consideration for other people, and an excessive need for admiration.

Others often describe people with NPD as cocky, manipulative, selfish, patronizing, and demanding. This way of thinking and behaving surfaces in every area of the narcissist's life: from work and friendships to family and love relationships.

People with narcissistic personality disorder are extremely resistant to changing their behavior, even when it's causing them problems. Their tendency is to turn the blame on to others. What's more, they are extremely sensitive and react badly to even the slightest criticisms, disagreements, or perceived slights, which they view as personal attacks."

Hmm, sound familiar?

I've met a few of these cunts in my life - everyone has - once you recognise the pathology, you can set your clock by them. Utterly predictable, like robots. Avoid and certainly don't react in an emotional way to them if you are around them.

 

[kent_island_sailor]

Interesting thread for a first post... Are you Doug or a fanboi?
What you are seeing is frustration rather than hate.

WARNING
Sea Lion Crossing - Be Alert

 

[fukupananvil]

Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

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People misunderstand the term, often associating it entirely with grandiosity, which is only one trait, that may or may not be present.

(From a mental health website)

"The word narcissism gets tossed around a lot in our selfie-obsessed, celebrity-driven culture, often to describe someone who seems excessively vain or full of themselves. But in psychological terms, narcissism doesn't mean self-love—at least not of a genuine sort. It's more accurate to say that people with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are in love with an idealized, grandiose image of themselves.

And they're in love with this inflated self-image precisely because it allows them to avoid deep feelings of insecurity. But propping up their delusions of grandeur takes a lot of work—and that's where the dysfunctional attitudes and behaviors come in.

Narcissistic personality disorder involves a pattern of self-centered, arrogant thinking and behavior, a lack of empathy and consideration for other people, and an excessive need for admiration.

Others often describe people with NPD as cocky, manipulative, selfish, patronizing, and demanding. This way of thinking and behaving surfaces in every area of the narcissist's life: from work and friendships to family and love relationships.

People with narcissistic personality disorder are extremely resistant to changing their behavior, even when it's causing them problems. Their tendency is to turn the blame on to others. What's more, they are extremely sensitive and react badly to even the slightest criticisms, disagreements, or perceived slights, which they view as personal attacks."

Hmm, sound familiar?

I've met a few of these cunts in my life - everyone has - once you recognise the pathology, you can set your clock by them. Utterly predictable, like robots. Avoid and certainly don't react in an emotional way to them if you are around them.

I found myself watching Dr. Les Carter's, and a few other author's youtube videos pertaining to narcissism after seeing the label put to this wannabe. Sure fits. I've reflected on some disturbing go-arounds I've had with one individual in my life the past couple of years, and he too fits the pattern. I am pleased to report I no longer have to deal with him as he removed himself from my whereabouts when he discovered I had obtained a written copy of the criminal complaint regarding an incident he was lying about. The cunts apparently tend to eventually self-destruct. If Dugh stays on the move and constantly refreshes his acquantainces he may prolong the process quite a while.

 

[Jim in Halifax]

Does Doug have ex-sycophants? I'm surprised we haven't heard from anyone who was suckered into working on the 'boat the internet built', only to discover an unpleasant even dangerous work place. Too embarrassed to admit they were bamboozled by Doug's grift? NDAs?

 

[Very Lazy Jack]

To be fair, many boats are hell holes into which people pour at least some money and some stupidity. As for electrics, things have got better the last few years, but much of the marine stuff is still a bit shit and very expensive. Not that I would advocate a rush to try and make stuff, I think the better route is keep it simple and ignore some of the fancier stuff that does not add much benefit. with electrics, I prefer big switches and simplified wiring to all those small switches linked to relays.

Yeah. Marine electronics is expensive for a reason. I'm in engineering, and usually I refrain from reinventing something that is designed and manufactured by a reputable marine company. Just looking into how much design and testing effort goes into solving corrosion, sealing, UV damage, etc. issues I usually don't qualify myself for being able to do it cheaper or even just doing it better. Of course there are a lot of shit out there, there is always market for cheap crap.
I wholeheartedly agree, in a marine environment, simple means robust and robust means it will save your life sometime. There is a video out htere on youtube in which Skip Novak describes his Pelagic boats and explains why he keeps everything as simple and reliable as possible. There is some contrast to Seeker.

 

[eliboat]

Dugg is way better than skip Novak

 

[George Graves]

Skip Novak describes his Pelagic boats and explains why he keeps everything as simple and reliable as possible. There is some contrast to Seeker.

Is this it?

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

Yeah. Marine electronics is expensive for a reason. I'm in engineering, and usually I refrain from reinventing something that is designed and manufactured by a reputable marine company. Just looking into how much design and testing effort goes into solving corrosion, sealing, UV damage, etc. issues I usually don't qualify myself for being able to do it cheaper or even just doing it better. Of course there are a lot of shit out there, there is always market for cheap crap.
I wholeheartedly agree, in a marine environment, simple means robust and robust means it will save your life sometime. There is a video out htere on youtube in which Skip Novak describes his Pelagic boats and explains why he keeps everything as simple and reliable as possible. There is some contrast to Seeker.

I've been guilty of building my own marine electronic stuff and I agree with you - it's really hard to do it better. Cheaper, sure, but better?

After completing some of my projects, I've treated them as a learning exercise and bought the commercial article. I've never been afraid to kill off a bad project.

FKT

 

[eliboat]

Is this it?


Lame… what’s the fun in not having to avoid head goring spikes mounted around the cabin in a seaway? Where is all the plumbing and electrical with wire nuts. So Lame.

 

[George Graves]

 

[epoxypete]

Anyone new to this latest ongoing foolishness from Dugg, might be forgiven for thinking he is just some guy attempting to resurrect some old abandoned hull . However, no one should forget how this is a brand new boat he built. It has ever since been nothing but a laundry list of failures constantly being driven ever deeper into failure holes by the very person who created the failures in the first place. It should also be noted how these failures grew out of his arrogant belief in his own abilities while rudely brushing off all sincere bits of advice and assistance toward doing it right the first time.

"Oceanic research vessel" is but a pipe dream from someone apparently stuck in dream land with no road map out. I haven't a clue what this recent bit of fantasy is about, regarding the building of a barge, but it is becoming clearer how desperately lost Dugg really is and that " oceanic research vessel" is but a ghost ship which has long ago sailed over the horizon and simply will never return.Period.

 

[Sail4beer]

Doug should stick with one project until is completed successfully. Another project would just cause him to lose focus on the important work he still has ahead of him 😳

 

[dfw_sailor]

He needs a tug, not a barge.

Actually what he really needs is a self propelled dry dock / BSO transporter.