Sydney to Hobart 2017

MPH

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Chop, if Maverick beats Ichi Ban(if they take the 52), Balance, Victoire or a comparable competitive TP52/Cookson at next years hobart I will mail you a bottle of rum of reasonable quality..deal?

 

dachopper

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Chop, if Maverick beats Ichi Ban(if they take the 52), Balance, Victoire or a comparable competitive TP52/Cookson at next years hobart I will mail you a bottle of rum of reasonable quality..deal?
For Maverick to beat them, he will have to average 13% faster for it's length than the current best 52 foot race yachts out there - so yeah that would be quite an achievement - considering if the race is less that 50% foiling - ( impossible to know now ) his speed on the foils would need to be more like 30% faster.

They did say they had higher tracker speeds than any other yacht in their vicinity in one of the races, when the wind favored the foiling 14.7 kt 6 hr average in 17kts of breeze VMG running I suppose

They had a rough RORC event overall with a BlownA2, A1.5, and unfavorable conditions for a lot of the race, have to see how their next one goes.

 

MPH

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Chop, if Maverick beats Ichi Ban(if they take the 52), Balance, Victoire or a comparable competitive TP52/Cookson at next years hobart I will mail you a bottle of rum of reasonable quality..deal?
For Maverick to beat them, he will have to average 13% faster for it's length than the current best 52 foot race yachts out there - so yeah that would be quite an achievement - considering if the race is less that 50% foiling - ( impossible to know now ) his speed on the foils would need to be more like 30% faster.
They did say they had higher tracker speeds than any other yacht in their vicinity in one of the races, when the wind favored the foiling 14.7 kt 6 hr average in 17kts of breeze VMG running I suppose

They had a rough RORC event overall with a BlownA2, A1.5, and unfavorable conditions for a lot of the race, have to see how their next one goes.
Shredding kites is not just bad luck... sail handling issues aren't excuses to the performance of a boat. Just saying.

The only reason I bring up the 52s or Cookson 50's is that's what you've been comparing it to. We could do a similar bet with Patrice(Ker 46) or The Goat(Rogers 46).

 

dachopper

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Chop, if Maverick beats Ichi Ban(if they take the 52), Balance, Victoire or a comparable competitive TP52/Cookson at next years hobart I will mail you a bottle of rum of reasonable quality..deal?
For Maverick to beat them, he will have to average 13% faster for it's length than the current best 52 foot race yachts out there - so yeah that would be quite an achievement - considering if the race is less that 50% foiling - ( impossible to know now ) his speed on the foils would need to be more like 30% faster.
They did say they had higher tracker speeds than any other yacht in their vicinity in one of the races, when the wind favored the foiling 14.7 kt 6 hr average in 17kts of breeze VMG running I suppose

They had a rough RORC event overall with a BlownA2, A1.5, and unfavorable conditions for a lot of the race, have to see how their next one goes.
Shredding kites is not just bad luck... sail handling issues aren't excuses to the performance of a boat. Just saying.

The only reason I bring up the 52s or Cookson 50's is that's what you've been comparing it to. We could do a similar bet with Patrice(Ker 46) or The Goat(Rogers 46).
You have to have the right sail to get the performance though, and this boat is clearly suited to be faster in particular circumstances than conventional designs.

just like WO retiring when they blew their mainsail out. No main = no game, would be the same for the 52's also I would imagine

 

dachopper

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So the big C might be coming back

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/sailing/possible-comanche-return-in-2017-can-set-new-sydney-to-hobart-benchmark-20161223-gthkun.html

Checkout what Jimmy also said :

"It's just a matter of time before they allow multihulls in the Sydney to Hobart race, I mean in my mind, who doesn't want to go faster," Spithill said.

"We faced a lot of traditionalists and people dead against going to multihulls and foiling. Once people saw it and experienced it, the amount of new fans we have now because it's so exciting and visual, and there's some risk there, I mean there's no turning back.

"You talk about race records for a monohull for a Sydney to Hobart race. If and when multihulls are introduced, then we'll see some records.

"You're not taking away, I think it's just adding a different class and a different discipline that's out there. It's just a matter of time."

 
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ColinG

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If anything, I think that this year's race makes multis less likely in the forseeable future.

The sustainable speeds of the 100s is getting closer and closer to the multis and there is a growing contingent of very fast "mini maxis" that can achieve similar speeds.

These guys would be very loathe to have the focus shift to the multis and I cannot see that it adds much to the event.

This coupled with no large multi scene in OZ makes me think that multis are a long way off.

My prediction is a growth in 60-80ft mono foilers

 
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AVID

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If anything, I think that this year's race makes multis less likely in the forseeable future.

The sustainable speeds of the 100s is getting closer and closer to the multis and there is a growing contingent of very fast "mini maxis" that can achieve similar speeds.

These guys would be very loathe to have the focus shift to the multis and I cannot see that it adds much to the event.

This coupled with no large multi scene in OZ makes me think that multis are a long way off.

My prediction is a growth in 60-80ft mono foilers
Current maxi going around the world has averaged 36 knots. Wild oats in the Kepple race were patting themselves on the back for averaging 22knots over only 400 miles..... Mono's still have a long way to go

 

ColinG

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Yes, but RTW you get to choose route and angle and dealing with deep ocean sea states, not coastal swell.

Not sure that a big tri would be that much faster point to point in a Hobart. Probably faster, but not so mind-blowingly faster that there would be any groundswell demand from the locals to allow multis. You may be able to attract an overseas marquee boat from time to time, but it is a huge investment in time an money for one of these teams to be the trailblazer.

It's not like the Fastnet, where the big tris live near by.

 

duncan (the other one)

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"It's just a matter of time before they allow multihulls in the Sydney to Hobart race, I mean in my mind, who doesn't want to go faster," Spithill said.

Sorry Jimmy - we don't all want to go faster over that course length.

Some of us like having a race that takes 3 or more days of possibly hard slog with a team that can work together.

Ocean racing vs. round the cans

Mountaineering vs. sport climbing

Marathon vs. 100m

or have we gone too far down the rabbit hole of instant gratification ?

 

duncan (the other one)

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Yes, but RTW you get to choose route and angle and dealing with deep ocean sea states, not coastal swell.

Not sure that a big tri would be that much faster point to point in a Hobart. Probably faster, but not so mind-blowingly faster that there would be any groundswell demand from the locals to allow multis. You may be able to attract an overseas marquee boat from time to time, but it is a huge investment in time an money for one of these teams to be the trailblazer.

It's not like the Fastnet, where the big tris live near by.
agree -- just how much faster does an Orma go in 30kn and 5m seas upwind ?

 

ColinG

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I think the only way Mulits will end up in the S2H is not top down, but bottom up, where (or if) a strong local offshore racing fleet of smaller multis (cruiser racer types) has developed and a fair smattering of CYCA members are racing them.

Other than that, can't see it happening.

 

NORBowGirl

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Hope it will be a proper Hobart race, 2016 was the most boring ever, just a downwinder !
Yeah, dull, boring, no excitement at all. No broken masts, legs or teeth, no one even died. FFS lift your act 2017 Syd-Hobart sailors, your armchair audience is in dire danger of nodding off.
There was a broken mast....! The chinese team on Ark 323 (tp52 I think) broke it and finished the race under jury rig. It's a shame that the media doesn't pick up these stories, I believe that people would be intrigued by many of them. There are probably more stories than any of us know of.

Anyway, the chinese team tried to do the S2H in 2015, but met some bad weather during the delivery to Sydney and lost their bowman overboard. He was never found (afaik). The team decided to still do the race, sort of in his honour. Then they crashed with Ragamuffin 52 almost on the start line and had to retire. The boat was brought to Sydney City Marina, owned by Syd Fisher who also owned the Ragamuffin 52. The chinese protested them and won, and of course the crew on Ragamuffin were devastated and didn't agree. They had a very nice result in the race and found out about this during their celebration in Hobart. I'm pretty sure that Syd offered to repair the chinese boat for free if they dropped the protest - but they didn't. So they fixed the boat and went for a new go this December, only to break their mast...I guess no boat wanted to finish more than this chinese team.

 




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