The Dark Knight
Super Anarchist
Given that the new boat is described as "96-foot boat, under construction in Cape Town, South Africa" in the article, I would guess it's not for racing.
Sydney to Hobart 2020
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Bill E Goat
Super Anarchist
NOR requirement for the 2 handed crews
"At least one crew member shall have competed in a Category 2 or higher twohanded division or race in the last three years."
Any idea what CAT 2 2 handed races there are ? Will we see them in the GC or Bird Island ?
Doesn't mention anything about autopilots that I can see
"At least one crew member shall have competed in a Category 2 or higher twohanded division or race in the last three years."
Any idea what CAT 2 2 handed races there are ? Will we see them in the GC or Bird Island ?
Doesn't mention anything about autopilots that I can see
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The Dark Knight
Super Anarchist
Melb to Hobart, king island, Devonport, Stanley are cat two and have 2h divisions
and then there was Melb Osaka.
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The Dark Knight
Super Anarchist
The Dark Knight
Super Anarchist
The entries have started rolling in...
19 so far
19 so far
The Dark Knight
Super Anarchist
I see Hugh Ellis of Voodoo has bought and entered the Lombard 34, Mistral.
2 hand division presumably
2 hand division presumably
[email protected]
Super Anarchist
Melbourne to Hobart has a 2 handed div, and is Cat 2... though in my eyes potentially a tougher race than the S2H. I haven't done either race, but both are on the cards (now that I have a suitable(?) boat for short handed offshore stuff.
Livia
Super Anarchist
Can't see this race happening right now!
Unless you sail round the finish make and back to Sydney.
Unless you sail round the finish make and back to Sydney.
shaggybaxter
Super Anarchist
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Livia
Super Anarchist
But you still race there but there is no race.
but you put an appendix on the amended Keppel Race NOR
Go figure.
Bizarre
but you put an appendix on the amended Keppel Race NOR
Go figure.
Bizarre
Just write on your entry you’re from NT!
Premier Peter Gutwein says Tasmania will have "safe travel bubbles" with WA, SA and NT in two weeks.
Will the Southport race still be going ahead with the QLD/NSW border being close for all Sydney siders?
I guess the QLD boats could sail down to Sydney for the start and then hang around to the starting gun without going ashore.
The Sydney Hobart could change to a Sydney to Melbourne race if the Tassie bubble does not include NSW and VIC
I guess the QLD boats could sail down to Sydney for the start and then hang around to the starting gun without going ashore.
The Sydney Hobart could change to a Sydney to Melbourne race if the Tassie bubble does not include NSW and VIC
Jethrow
Super Anarchist
Nah it's going back to the good ole' South Solitary race. From Pittwater, round one of the Solitary Island's off Coffs and back again.
Guaranteed not to be a sled ride!
Guaranteed not to be a sled ride!
The Dark Knight
Super Anarchist
What a bunch of crybaby rich git owners.
from the mythical front page
There always seems to be a new wrinkle to iron out of the racing rules. When the Cruising Yacht Club of Australia decided to introduce a two-handed division in this year’s Sydney-Hobart race the initiative was seen as a timely development in the 75-year history of the event. Two-handers now compete in the Fastnet Race, and there will be a mixed two-handed offshore event in the Paris 2024 Olympics.
But the ‘conventional’ owners who race fully-crewed yachts in Australia soon spotted a catch. In accordance with common practice established in Northern Hemisphere short-handed events, the CYCA confirmed it would allow two-handed entrants in Hobart 2020 to use autopilot – mechanical helming guided by computer navigation.
That ruling makes perfect sense on safety grounds. The two-handers can expect to be at sea for up to four days completing the 628nm distance from Sydney to Hobart. There will, inevitably, be times when the need to handle the boat and its sails must demand the combined efforts of both crew working together. And if one sailor becomes injured, exhausted or ill, their crew-mate cannot steer forever.
The problem, though, was that the CYCA Notice of Race for the Sydney-Hobart made it clear that the double-handed yachts would be eligible for the Overall IRC winner’s prize – the Tattersalls Cup. That’s the point at which a powerful group of owners of the elite fully-crewed yachts dug in their heels. Surely, they argued, autopilot – and the sophisticated routing software that now drives it – would be an unfair advantage.
They had a point. Any decent auto-helming system now drives better than most humans, especially downhill. The basic RRS rules specifically prohibit mechanical assistance of this kind. If the short-handers are to race alongside conventional IRC entrants in the same division, then shouldn’t the same rules apply to all?
After a brief, discreet – and thankfully bloodless – skirmish between the owners and the club, the CYCA has now decided to amend their Sydney-Hobart NoR. Common sense has prevailed. Short-handed yachts that choose to use autopilot will compete in their own division, but not be eligible for the Overall prize.
There is, of course, a hidden irony in all this. Many of the same owners who complained about the unfair advantage of powered steering themselves campaign yachts with powered winches, canting keels and water ballast. Maybe they, too, should race in a separate division – and give the crews who still get to Hobart by human power alone a better chance of winning the main prize.
– anarchist David
from the mythical front page
There always seems to be a new wrinkle to iron out of the racing rules. When the Cruising Yacht Club of Australia decided to introduce a two-handed division in this year’s Sydney-Hobart race the initiative was seen as a timely development in the 75-year history of the event. Two-handers now compete in the Fastnet Race, and there will be a mixed two-handed offshore event in the Paris 2024 Olympics.
But the ‘conventional’ owners who race fully-crewed yachts in Australia soon spotted a catch. In accordance with common practice established in Northern Hemisphere short-handed events, the CYCA confirmed it would allow two-handed entrants in Hobart 2020 to use autopilot – mechanical helming guided by computer navigation.
That ruling makes perfect sense on safety grounds. The two-handers can expect to be at sea for up to four days completing the 628nm distance from Sydney to Hobart. There will, inevitably, be times when the need to handle the boat and its sails must demand the combined efforts of both crew working together. And if one sailor becomes injured, exhausted or ill, their crew-mate cannot steer forever.
The problem, though, was that the CYCA Notice of Race for the Sydney-Hobart made it clear that the double-handed yachts would be eligible for the Overall IRC winner’s prize – the Tattersalls Cup. That’s the point at which a powerful group of owners of the elite fully-crewed yachts dug in their heels. Surely, they argued, autopilot – and the sophisticated routing software that now drives it – would be an unfair advantage.
They had a point. Any decent auto-helming system now drives better than most humans, especially downhill. The basic RRS rules specifically prohibit mechanical assistance of this kind. If the short-handers are to race alongside conventional IRC entrants in the same division, then shouldn’t the same rules apply to all?
After a brief, discreet – and thankfully bloodless – skirmish between the owners and the club, the CYCA has now decided to amend their Sydney-Hobart NoR. Common sense has prevailed. Short-handed yachts that choose to use autopilot will compete in their own division, but not be eligible for the Overall prize.
There is, of course, a hidden irony in all this. Many of the same owners who complained about the unfair advantage of powered steering themselves campaign yachts with powered winches, canting keels and water ballast. Maybe they, too, should race in a separate division – and give the crews who still get to Hobart by human power alone a better chance of winning the main prize.
– anarchist David
Bill E Goat
Super Anarchist
Imagine the ignominy of your million dollar TP52 campaign being beaten by two blokes in a 40 footer
Livia
Super Anarchist
No body is too keen to reintroduce the Montague Island Race.Nah it's going back to the good ole' South Solitary race. From Pittwater, round one of the Solitary Island's off Coffs and back again.
Guaranteed not to be a sled ride!
Complete bullshit, there is more to two handed sailing than the Autohelm and routing software (most boats have this anyway). The CYCA powerful group of owners (mostly TP52's) obviously run CYCA and the Sydney Hobart race committee!. The FasNet race I believe allow two handed entries to race for overall IRC contention!
Many of the CYCA powerful group of owners have not obviously tried two handed sailing and have no idea how hard it is to sail a boat to it's IRC potential as it would be very hard for a two handed boat to win IRC overall against a fully crewed boat unless the conditions were very light winds over say 5 days of racing.
