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Do not be so quick to toss Doyle to the trash heap.

In Stingray's link above #1255 it mentions that Richard Bouzaid (Doyle Sails) was in the coaching boat sailing alongside AM. Add to this the fact that when AM recently went to a newly recut Main that they made a tremendous improvement in foiling starts in minimal wind conditions. That is huge news for American Magic which probably had the most problems in light winds in the last AC.
OK, fair call - interesting that Richard is still out with them but if I lean into the pessimistic side of the discussion; the re-cut mainsail you're describing was, as far as I could tell, just bringing AM up to speed with the boomless deck-sweepers that TNZ and LR had successfully deployed during the last cup.

I had a conversation just after making that last post that would seem to confirm AM have in fact made the switch to North so I guess either Richard is being retained independently to the actual sails contract or he's there for the final stages of Doyle's involvement.

The general consensus (around here at least) is that Doyle have nailed the structured luff design by using the additional lenses in their panel layout to get better projection in the luff - North can't replicate this with 3DI because it's too 'dynamic' a shape for their moulds to accommodate. So for flying headsails Doyle are on a winner but when considering just the two materials, 3Di is still superior to Stratis.
 

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Way ahead of who... or what?

Looks to me like they've maybe just caught up to where LRPP and ETNZ were, back in March 2021.
Mozzy posted a nice chart somewhere today but it seems to not differentiate between LEQ mode vs AC40 mode, or get into how many hours of actual sailing versus floundering around.

AM looks to be way ahead so far in time that matters.
 

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Mozzy posted a nice chart somewhere today but it seems to not differentiate between LEQ mode vs AC40 mode, or get into how many hours of actual sailing versus floundering around.

AM looks to be way ahead so far in time that matters.
What is, "time that matters", Stinger? New equipment/design developments maybe? Haven't seen any new equipment from AM, if you exclude the stuff the've been catching up with.
 

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A lot of people are downplaying the work that AM is doing on the old boat. It looks like they are building and testing all of the systems for the new boat. There is a lot of value in conducting that work in a full scale boat with full crew.
Agreed. At some point the guy says 'before we transfer the new systems to the new boat.'
 

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A lot of people are downplaying the work that AM is doing on the old boat. It looks like they are building and testing all of the systems for the new boat. There is a lot of value in conducting that work in a full scale boat with full crew.
Maybe. There are undoubtedly some benefits, but there are also restrictions on critical things like foils, whereas if they went the LEQ12 route, they could monkey with those while still reserving all of the foils for their AC37 AC75. In other words, whatever gains AM may be making by sticking with its old AC75 (which gains would only come from non-restricted components and crew work) may not be as great as if they were using an LEQ12 and were then able to monkey with critical components.

I will be very interested to see how this strategic choice plays out for AM. Could be a brilliant choice, but there is absolutely no way to tell that right now.
 

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Maybe. There are undoubtedly some benefits, but there are also restrictions on critical things like foils, whereas if they went the LEQ12 route, they could monkey with those while still reserving all of the foils for their AC37 AC75. In other words, whatever gains AM may be making by sticking with its old AC75 (which gains would only come from non-restricted components and crew work) may not be as great as if they were using an LEQ12 and were then able to monkey with critical components.

I will be very interested to see how this strategic choice plays out for AM. Could be a brilliant choice, but there is absolutely no way to tell that right now.
Since foils have shorter lead times than some larger systems, they may have plenty of time to develop them once their AC40's arrive.
 

porthos

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Since foils have shorter lead times than some larger systems, they may have plenty of time to develop them once their AC40's arrive.
I have no idea if that is true. As I said, it will be interesting to see the ramifications of AM's choice, which is markedly different from INEOS, LR, and TNZ.
 
I have no idea if that is true. As I said, it will be interesting to see the ramifications of AM's choice, which is markedly different from INEOS, LR, and TNZ.
It's still early in the game, we may yet see another team bring back an AC75, it wouldn't surprise me if we see LRRP or ETNZ bring back their race boats.
 

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I have no idea if that is true. As I said, it will be interesting to see the ramifications of AM's choice, which is markedly different from INEOS, LR, and TNZ.
AM's strategy looks a lot like Alighi's so far, although AM is naturally looking far ahead of them at this stage.
 




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