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KiwiJoker

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Duncan Johnstone has written this piece that appears to have new quotes from Team principles... (?) Along with mentions of "have now officially signed on"

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/104488503/sardinian-syndicate-confirms-americas-cup-challenge 

Always felt the powerpoint was high on dreams and promises and a little empty on substance, but hard to know what lies below the waterline...

Website being filled with filler text doesn't help matters - either it's a hoax, or the team aren't bothered with a half-baked online presence being public...

Either way, the lack of detail and discipline demonstrated so far doesn't reflect well...
Agreed.  In my eyes it falls somewhere between an elaborate hoax or a serious lack of interest in communicating their intent.

I have this uneasy feeling that Duncn J and Richard are picking up stuff and recycling without verification.  Not a single quote from team principals.

 
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Fireball

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I find myself wondering if Ineos has abandoned TP52 training because BA doesn't consider it productive or because (perhaps) he's lost Tony Langley's goodwill

If you want to practice/fine-tune the communication flow at the stern of the boat, then sailing TP52s has value and IIRC someone in LR said exactly that. Otherwise, not so much.
I suspect it's because of their new found funding from Ineos.

Before the new sponsorship racing someone else's boat was a good plan in their circumstances. They could save their money for the AC75.

Now they have plenty of money there may be better options that involve Ainslie being the helmsman.

 
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richardgladwell

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Agreed.  In my eyes it falls somewhere between an elaborate hoax or a serious lack of interest in communicating their intent.

I have this uneasy feeling that Duncn J and Richard are picking up stuff and recycling without verification.  Not a single quote from team principals.
The story came from a Media Release issued by the team issued around 0700 NZT on Wednesday morning. As you would be aware ETNZ/RNZYS won't announce entries until after June 30. Until then it is up to the teams to make their own announcement if they wish - which is what Adelasia di Torres have done. Why would we make up a story like this? It is the first we have run on this team. Challenging for the America's Cup does involve outlaying some serious non-refundable money. Plus in NZ we are bound by strict libel laws and can't just say anything with complete legal impunity as seems to happen in some other jurisdictions.

 

Xlot

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 ^. Ahem, how can we be sure you're really Richard Gladwell? What happened to KiwiSpy? :D

 
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Sea Breeze 74

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I have this uneasy feeling that Duncn J and Richard are picking up stuff and recycling without verification.  Not a single quote from team principals.
I feel uneasy too. NZ Herald, Stuff, Sail World, Live Sail Die, etc have all recycled this piece with little evidence (read no evidence) of background check. If it turns out to be a hoax then there will be some serious egg on faces.

While I want it to be true, it's 2018 folks - watch out for fake news!

 

Sea Breeze 74

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The story came from a Media Release issued by the team issued around 0700 NZT on Wednesday morning. As you would be aware ETNZ/RNZYS won't announce entries until after June 30. Until then it is up to the teams to make their own announcement if they wish - which is what Adelasia di Torres have done. Why would we make up a story like this? It is the first we have run on this team. Challenging for the America's Cup does involve outlaying some serious non-refundable money. Plus in NZ we are bound by strict libel laws and can't just say anything with complete legal impunity as seems to happen in some other jurisdictions.
Sounds legit.

 

KiwiJoker

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The story came from a Media Release issued by the team issued around 0700 NZT o n Wednesday morning. As you would be aware ETNZ/RNZYS won't announce entries until after June 30. Until then it is up to the teams to make their own announcement if they wish - which is what Adelasia di Torres have done. Why would we make up a story like this? It is the first we have run on this team. Challenging for the America's Cup does involve outlaying some serious non-refundable money. Plus in NZ we are bound by strict libel laws and can't just say anything with complete legal impunity as seems to happen in some other jurisdictions.
Thanks for the update.  Encouraging  but still seems screwy.  Nothing on the team's existing Facebook page.  Nothing  but a stock web design with dummy text on a newly created.  URL. Seems to me that in their enthusiasm these guys are getting way out ahead of themselves ....... or it's a gigantic leg-pull.

Mind telling us what convinced you the release you received is legit.

 
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WetHog

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ETNZ were in a position where if they went with the traditional slow but graceful, tried and true Monohull, they risked losing much of the audience that tuned in to Bermuda, but if they went with the failed Multihull route, they risked losing the majority of the sailing community that were partisan to the monohull tradition. Not to mention, they would've looked somewhat hypocritical. So they were left with one option, a foiling monohull, which incorporates elements of both preference. Speed and excitement, as well as grandeur and tradition. 

I don't know how anyone can write these new boats off as "absurd" when we haven't even seen one sail yet, let alone race in anger. 

ETNZ have a proven track record of innovation and forward thinking. The least we could all do is wait until one is launched before we judge them. 
You are right, to early to label them absurd until they hit the water but I still shake my head when I see a picture of the boat.  

The idea about holding on to the new fans attracted by the foiling speed while placating the old fans who grew up with mono-hulls is a nice story but that is not whats happening here.  The JC75 is a huge foiling mono-hull because GD wants to hold on to the new fans while repaying his debt to his COR.  Us old fans have nothing to do with it.  

WetHog   :ph34r:

 
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Stingray~

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Stingray~

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The story came from a Media Release issued by the team issued around 0700 NZT on Wednesday morning. As you would be aware ETNZ/RNZYS won't announce entries until after June 30. Until then it is up to the teams to make their own announcement if they wish - which is what Adelasia di Torres have done. Why would we make up a story like this? It is the first we have run on this team. Challenging for the America's Cup does involve outlaying some serious non-refundable money. Plus in NZ we are bound by strict libel laws and can't just say anything with complete legal impunity as seems to happen in some other jurisdictions.
Maybe contact them?

from the release,

contact [email protected] for further information.

 

Forourselves

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You are right, to early to label them absurd until they hit the water but I still shake my head when I see a picture of the boat.  

The idea about holding on to the new fans attracted by the foiling speed while placating the old fans who grew up with mono-hulls is a nice story but that is not whats happening here.  The JC75 is a huge foiling mono-hull because GD wants to hold on to the new fans while repaying his debt to his COR.  Us old fans have nothing to do with it.  

WetHog   :ph34r:
And why do you think it is that LR wanted to go back to a monohull? Because they know, as ETNZ do, that the majority of the sailing community prefer the monohull direction as opposed to the multihull direction. They also know the multihull era of the Americas Cup has failed big time and has damaged the current state, as well as the future of the Americas Cup. This new direction attempts to combine the two. ETNZ have always preferred the Monohulls over the multi's.

Take off the tin foil hat. One minute you don't want the big slow mono slugs of the V5 era, then the AC72's and AC50's are absurd, then you don't want the AC75 either, maybe just stop following the Americas Cup altogether, because you're never going to be satisfied.  

 
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doghouse

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Wow.

What Yacht Club did you join, when you ‘switched teams’?
Lol. To quote the late, great Troy McClure, "I wish".

I'm not sure I could describe it without rambling into a PA style diatribe. I guess the TL;DR version is anyone who doesn't appreciate La Dolce Vita or 8 1/2 is a philistine, and there's a lot of fucking philistines these days.

I've also been partial to this shot of Len Dawson smoking a cigarette during halftime of Super Bowl I.

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