Ted Stevens

[Saorsa]

Say what you will. The people of Alaska had deep respect and admiration for their Senator of 41 years, a public servant who toiled tirelessly on their behalf since before World War II. Immensely popular, he was respected on both sides of the aisle, character traits I wish my own Senators possessed. R.I.P. and thank you for your service.

Senator of 41 years

Biggest problem with government

40 freaking 1 years!

I can guarantee you that no senator that was in offic for only 4 or 8 years would be able to pull off that bridge to nowhere scam without being noticed

WE NEED TERM LIMITS

Either term limits or a change to the seniority system for the budgeting and appropriations process. With Byrd gone, there's gonna be a lot of money on the table this cycle.

 

[Mr. Fawning]

Latest reports indicate that they have just found over 7,000 lbs of bacon in the cargo hold.

Coincidence?........

 

[frank james]

Latest reports indicate that they have just found over 7,000 lbs of bacon in the cargo hold.

Coincidence?........

No, it was brought down by your bad vibes. Maybe?

 

[Kelp]

Latest reports indicate that they have just found over 7,000 lbs of bacon in the cargo hold.

Coincidence?........

No, it was brought down by your bad vibes. Maybe?

If that's the case, I'm going to send Ricktser an entire laundry list of "planes" I want to crash...starting with which horse to take in the 7th at Santa Anita this afternoon.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Latest reports indicate that they have just found over 7,000 lbs of bacon in the cargo hold.

Coincidence?........

No, it was brought down by your bad vibes. Maybe?

If that's the case, I'm going to send Ricktser an entire laundry list of "planes" I want to crash...starting with which horse to take in the 7th at Santa Anita this afternoon.

"Rubber Band" in the stretch. You heard it here first. Problem SOLved.

 

[Spatial Ed]

Not a bad way to go at 86 years old.

Condolences to all the families and friends.

Absotively! Dude went out in style. Going fishing, but gets whacked on the way.

Just don't understand all this "oh! what a tragedy!" claptrap. That's the way I'd like to go down. Ok, maybe with a hooker on my dick. At least he didn't get shot by Cheney.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Not a bad way to go at 86 years old.

Condolences to all the families and friends.

Absotively! Dude went out in style. Going fishing, but gets whacked on the way.

Just don't understand all this "oh! what a tragedy!" claptrap. That's the way I'd like to go down. Ok, maybe with a hooker on my dick. At least he didn't get shot by Cheney.

The more I think about this, the more I think that he went out a hell of a lot better than he would have had he been locked up in a jail cell.

 

[Mike G]

Not a bad way to go at 86 years old.

Condolences to all the families and friends.

Absotively! Dude went out in style. Going fishing, but gets whacked on the way.

Just don't understand all this "oh! what a tragedy!" claptrap. That's the way I'd like to go down. Ok, maybe with a hooker on my dick. At least he didn't get shot by Cheney.

The more I think about this, the more I think that he went out a hell of a lot better than he would have had he been locked up in a jail cell.

He would have gone down either way.

check please...

 

[Mr. Fawning]

Not a bad way to go at 86 years old.

Condolences to all the families and friends.

Absotively! Dude went out in style. Going fishing, but gets whacked on the way.

Just don't understand all this "oh! what a tragedy!" claptrap. That's the way I'd like to go down. Ok, maybe with a hooker on my dick. At least he didn't get shot by Cheney.

The more I think about this, the more I think that he went out a hell of a lot better than he would have had he been locked up in a jail cell.

He would have gone down either way.

check please...

That's just plane mean........

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Not a bad way to go at 86 years old.

Condolences to all the families and friends.

Absotively! Dude went out in style. Going fishing, but gets whacked on the way.

Just don't understand all this "oh! what a tragedy!" claptrap. That's the way I'd like to go down. Ok, maybe with a hooker on my dick. At least he didn't get shot by Cheney.

The more I think about this, the more I think that he went out a hell of a lot better than he would have had he been locked up in a jail cell.

He would have gone down either way.

check please...

That's just plane mean........

He didn't strike me as someone who would be so

inclined.

 

[Mike G]

One bear was heard saying..."this airline food ain't so bad"

 

[flaps15]

Not a bad way to go at 86 years old.

Condolences to all the families and friends.

Absotively! Dude went out in style. Going fishing, but gets whacked on the way.

Just don't understand all this "oh! what a tragedy!" claptrap. That's the way I'd like to go down. Ok, maybe with a hooker on my dick. At least he didn't get shot by Cheney.

The more I think about this, the more I think that he went out a hell of a lot better than he would have had he been locked up in a jail cell.

I'll bet the O'Keefe, Morhard, Smith, Tindall and Phillips Families all agree with you. Oh wait, I'm even more sure "Willy" Phillips (survivor) is glad his dad (the Pilot) went out this way, you know... as opposed to Stevens in a Jail cell. (Sheesh...) Guaranteed when that plane hit the mountain they were in a steep climb, throttle to the wall, no vis,(ability) attempting to avoid the verticals in that valley. Fuck... everyone on that plane knew that there was a Big problem. Saving grace for the survivors was that 850 ft/per/min climb is dead ass slow. Too bad there weren't any airbags......

 

[Spatial Ed]

Too bad there weren't any airbags......

There was one certified gas bag, but he perished.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

I'll bet the O'Keefe, Morhard, Smith, Tindall and Phillips Families all agree with you. Oh wait, I'm even more sure "Willy" Phillips (survivor) is glad his dad (the Pilot) went out this way, you know... as opposed to Stevens in a Jail cell. (Sheesh...) Guaranteed when that plane hit the mountain they were in a steep climb, throttle to the wall, no vis,(ability) attempting to avoid the verticals in that valley. Fuck... everyone on that plane knew that there was a Big problem. Saving grace for the survivors was that 850 ft/per/min climb is dead ass slow. Too bad there weren't any airbags......

They likely would not, unless their family members had been convicted of illegal compensation and had been looking at jail time before their convictions were thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct, all while they were in their mid 80s. That's why I was only talking about Sen. Stevens.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Saving grace for the survivors was that 850 ft/per/min climb is dead ass slow. Too bad there weren't any airbags......

That seems like a decent climb rate for a loaded small airplane that's dragging two pontoons through the air. I haven't read about the circumstances of the crash, but if they were trying to escape a valley, I assume they would be flying at Vx for that airplane, whatever that is, so that's the speed they would be going when they hit.

 

[flaps15]

Saving grace for the survivors was that 850 ft/per/min climb is dead ass slow. Too bad there weren't any airbags......

That seems like a decent climb rate for a loaded small airplane that's dragging two pontoons through the air. I haven't read about the circumstances of the crash, but if they were trying to escape a valley, I assume they would be flying at Vx for that airplane, whatever that is, so that's the speed they would be going when they hit.

Best angle vs best rate is a personal call on an obstruction/terrain, as I wasn't there, can't comment. My point was crashing slower is better than faster for survivors. Otters, turbo or otherwise are slow (STOL) aircraft. I did make a mistake in naming the pilot as "Willy" Phillips father. The pilot was Terry Smith former Alaska Airlines pilot w/25000hrs under his belt. My mistake, bad info, my apologies.

 

[Spatial Ed]

Saving grace for the survivors was that 850 ft/per/min climb is dead ass slow. Too bad there weren't any airbags......

That seems like a decent climb rate for a loaded small airplane that's dragging two pontoons through the air. I haven't read about the circumstances of the crash, but if they were trying to escape a valley, I assume they would be flying at Vx for that airplane, whatever that is, so that's the speed they would be going when they hit.

Best angle vs best rate is a personal call on an obstruction/terrain, as I wasn't there, can't comment. My point was crashing slower is better than faster for survivors. Otters, turbo or otherwise are slow (STOL) aircraft. I did make a mistake in naming the pilot as "Willy" Phillips father. The pilot was Terry Smith former Alaska Airlines pilot w/25000hrs under his belt. My mistake, bad info, my apologies.

Sorry flyboy, when faced with an obstruction, ain't no personal call in a situation. Climbing at Vx allows pilots to maximize the altitude gain per unit ground distance. Climbing at Vy allows pilots to maximize the altitude gain per unit time.

And WTF does the rate of climb have to do with minimizing the crash impact? Ground speed, yes. I guess if you hit the bottom of a bridge, maybe.

 

[flaps15]

Saving grace for the survivors was that 850 ft/per/min climb is dead ass slow. Too bad there weren't any airbags......

That seems like a decent climb rate for a loaded small airplane that's dragging two pontoons through the air. I haven't read about the circumstances of the crash, but if they were trying to escape a valley, I assume they would be flying at Vx for that airplane, whatever that is, so that's the speed they would be going when they hit.

Best angle vs best rate is a personal call on an obstruction/terrain, as I wasn't there, can't comment. My point was crashing slower is better than faster for survivors. Otters, turbo or otherwise are slow (STOL) aircraft. I did make a mistake in naming the pilot as "Willy" Phillips father. The pilot was Terry Smith former Alaska Airlines pilot w/25000hrs under his belt. My mistake, bad info, my apologies.

Sorry flyboy, when faced with an obstruction, ain't no personal call in a situation. Climbing at Vx allows pilots to maximize the altitude gain per unit ground distance. Climbing at Vy allows pilots to maximize the altitude gain per unit time.

And WTF does the rate of climb have to do with minimizing the crash impact? Ground speed, yes. I guess if you hit the bottom of a bridge, maybe.

No one can even make a call on what happened out there, ever done any scud running in mountainous terrain there, Biff? This is what I love about armchair sailors/pilots, Tell you what Biff, when you get past, let's say about 5000/hrs, SEL, MEL, Commercial, Inst., CFII, some turbine, known icing, a few type ratings and a bit of heavy metal experience, I'll be glad to address your cute little (Sanderson?) textbook scenarios, till then, from your post, you appear to have just had your first shirt ripped after a solo, maybe cross-country? (I'd guess 15hrs?) Go do some touch and goes and don't forget to put your landing flaps @ 15. Stay current now, Biff.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

I'm a flatlander, and curious why Vx would not be best? I know that in gliders, or airplanes that suddenly become gliders, you're supposed to add half the wind speed to your best glide speed to make the most distance upwind. Is what you're talking about something like that? (Commercial Airplane S&MEL and Glider, Instrument (airplane), former CFII, +/- 1,500 hrs, almost all in FL and the Bahamas, so try to talk to me down on my level. )

 

[Spatial Ed]

From Flaps posts, I get the feeling he works around lots of high time pilots but isn't one himself. You know, a mechanic type. Discussing rate of climb to minimize crash impact and whether it's pilots discretion to climb at Vx vs Vy to avoid obstacles in an emergency is rather weird and indicative of a wanna be but never actually grabbed the stick as PIC.