benwynn
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Tell me why Joe is doing a good job. Do not blame last guy.
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It is hard to extract yourself when your predecessors put your country into quick sand.
Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
Standard Republican operating procedure: fuck things up, blame Democrats, scream "government -is- the problem"
But that article seems fairly accurate even though it doesn't have a definitive quote from either of Obama's campaigns.
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Olsonist
Disgusting Liberal Elitist
You seem to have developed a Tom-like stutter. But be that as it may, all you have to do now is cite where Obama promised during the campaign to withdraw from Afghanistan. You'll actually have to use his own words, from before the 2008 election but we'll also accept the 2012 election. Either would make it a campaign promise.
Ventucky Red
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Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
You made the assertion which so far seems to be incorrect, and your cite does not have a quote of Obama during his campaign(s) promising to pull out of Afghanistan.
I wrote this
which you seem to have ignored.
So, here's where you're at: show some honesty and either back up your claim -or- admit you were overstating a bit.... but what I expect you to do is act like a dumb dick, double down on a lie, and continue to try and smear Obama just because he's a goddam commie fag enemy of America. Then blame all the mean libby-rulls for ganging up on you and whine how we can't have an honest exchange of views. It's SO-O unfair!!
- DSK
Olsonist
Disgusting Liberal Elitist
Nope. You prove your assertion. You're caught in a spin cycle and it's really funny to watch. But you really should notice the lack of elk riding to your rescue.
BTW, Obama even got into it with McCain at the debate about going into Pakistan to get OBL which presaged the fact that he went into Pakistan to get OBL who sadly remains dead.
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jerseyguy
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Joe is doing, and will have done, a better job then the next guy if that guy is a Republican.
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FWIW - Obama promised to get out of Iraq, but not Afghanistan. Quite the opposite in fact.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/us/politics/15text-obama.html
"In the 18 months since the surge began, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated. June was our highest casualty month of the war. The Taliban has been on the offensive, even launching a brazen attack on one of our bases. Al Qaeda has a growing sanctuary in Pakistan. That is a consequence of our current strategy.
That’s why I strongly stand by my plan to end this war. Now, Prime Minister Maliki’s call for a timetable for the removal of U.S. forces presents a real opportunity. It comes at a time when the American general in charge of training Iraq’s Security Forces has testified that Iraq’s Army and Police will be ready to assume responsibility for Iraq’s security in 2009. Now is the time for a responsible redeployment of our combat troops that pushes Iraq’s leaders toward a political solution, rebuilds our military, and refocuses on Afghanistan and our broader security interests.
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To achieve that success, I will give our military a new mission on my first day in office: ending this war. Let me be clear: we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – one year after Iraqi Security Forces will be prepared to stand up; two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began."
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He actually pushed for escalating in Afghanistan and the neighborhood - hopefully toward some sort of resolution eventually - but Candidate Obama made no promised to withdraw.
"In fact – as should have been apparent to President Bush and Senator McCain – the central front in the war on terror is not Iraq, and it never was. That’s why the second goal of my new strategy will be taking the fight to al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan...
The greatest threat to that security lies in the tribal regions of Pakistan, where terrorists train and insurgents strike into Afghanistan. We cannot tolerate a terrorist sanctuary, and as President, I won’t. We need a stronger and sustained partnership between Afghanistan, Pakistan and NATO to secure the border, to take out terrorist camps, and to crack down on cross-border insurgents. We need more troops, more helicopters, more satellites, more Predator drones in the Afghan border region. And we must make it clear that if Pakistan cannot or will not act, we will take out high-level terrorist targets like bin Laden if we have them in our sights."
We never did actually get around to invading the Tribal areas. That's what would have been required for a military solution. War is politics by force. But since that wasn't in the cards, we threw money at the problem instead.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/us/politics/15text-obama.html
"In the 18 months since the surge began, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated. June was our highest casualty month of the war. The Taliban has been on the offensive, even launching a brazen attack on one of our bases. Al Qaeda has a growing sanctuary in Pakistan. That is a consequence of our current strategy.
That’s why I strongly stand by my plan to end this war. Now, Prime Minister Maliki’s call for a timetable for the removal of U.S. forces presents a real opportunity. It comes at a time when the American general in charge of training Iraq’s Security Forces has testified that Iraq’s Army and Police will be ready to assume responsibility for Iraq’s security in 2009. Now is the time for a responsible redeployment of our combat troops that pushes Iraq’s leaders toward a political solution, rebuilds our military, and refocuses on Afghanistan and our broader security interests.
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To achieve that success, I will give our military a new mission on my first day in office: ending this war. Let me be clear: we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – one year after Iraqi Security Forces will be prepared to stand up; two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began."
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He actually pushed for escalating in Afghanistan and the neighborhood - hopefully toward some sort of resolution eventually - but Candidate Obama made no promised to withdraw.
"In fact – as should have been apparent to President Bush and Senator McCain – the central front in the war on terror is not Iraq, and it never was. That’s why the second goal of my new strategy will be taking the fight to al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan...
The greatest threat to that security lies in the tribal regions of Pakistan, where terrorists train and insurgents strike into Afghanistan. We cannot tolerate a terrorist sanctuary, and as President, I won’t. We need a stronger and sustained partnership between Afghanistan, Pakistan and NATO to secure the border, to take out terrorist camps, and to crack down on cross-border insurgents. We need more troops, more helicopters, more satellites, more Predator drones in the Afghan border region. And we must make it clear that if Pakistan cannot or will not act, we will take out high-level terrorist targets like bin Laden if we have them in our sights."
We never did actually get around to invading the Tribal areas. That's what would have been required for a military solution. War is politics by force. But since that wasn't in the cards, we threw money at the problem instead.
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Bus Driver
Bacon Quality Control Specialist
Sol Rosenberg
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You completely failed to prove that Obummer did not say something.
Bus Driver
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Olsonist
Disgusting Liberal Elitist
The odd thing is that this revolves around what I've long said is Obama's great mistake: not leaving Afghanistan. Yeah, W the Stupid should have cleaned up his turd and left but in fact, Obama didn't. VR is caught up in saying Obama, who I admire, campaigned on leaving Afghanistan. He didn't. He didn't promise that. It's not in the fossil record. Quite the opposite, he was more of an OBL hawk than Stupid, McCain and every neocon in Georgetown.
But Obama didn't leave. Obama didn't even leave after he experimentally tested OBL's buoyancy in seawater. (It turns out that OBL sinks, especially with several extra holes added to his body; so maybe he's not a witch; bummer.) But Obama kept us there for 8 years, 2 of which were stupid and 6 of which were beyond stupid. That's on him.
Still, Obama's failure to leave pales when compared to the stupidity of Stupid occupying that country after screwing the pooch in Tora Bora because he didn't want to be seen as occupying that country. It pales in comparison to Shitstain's complaining about Afghanistan, his blaiming, increasing troop levels and never leaving. Yeah, he signed a piece of paper, like Stupid did in Iraq. Big whoop.
Thank you, President Biden, for getting us the fuck out of Afghanistan.
But Obama didn't leave. Obama didn't even leave after he experimentally tested OBL's buoyancy in seawater. (It turns out that OBL sinks, especially with several extra holes added to his body; so maybe he's not a witch; bummer.) But Obama kept us there for 8 years, 2 of which were stupid and 6 of which were beyond stupid. That's on him.
Still, Obama's failure to leave pales when compared to the stupidity of Stupid occupying that country after screwing the pooch in Tora Bora because he didn't want to be seen as occupying that country. It pales in comparison to Shitstain's complaining about Afghanistan, his blaiming, increasing troop levels and never leaving. Yeah, he signed a piece of paper, like Stupid did in Iraq. Big whoop.
Thank you, President Biden, for getting us the fuck out of Afghanistan.
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Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
Well, I hope this won't seem like I'm being an Obama apologist, but he really proves the old adage about the frog in the pot. You can boil him alive as long as you turn up the heat slowly.
He was waiting for the right time to leave, when the US could have a lasting strategic advantage. Obama did not have the cards in his hand to gather the generals and say "Look, enough is goddam enough, we're declaring victory and going the fuck home." Biden only does because he's been in Washington for a couple of lifetimes and knows everybody. Obama believed the generals, that victory was just around the corner.
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Olsonist
Disgusting Liberal Elitist
I am an Obama fan boi. He damn well should have declared victory when OBL joined the AQ silent service.
Really, the entire defense establishment was opposed to leaving because they don't hand out medals and promotions for losing. Petraeus sold Obama a bill of goods. That got Petraeus Director of the CIA, well, until his dick undid it. Michael Flynn, a Bill Gates favorite, had a report ghost written saying something needed to be done. That got Flynn Director of the DIA. Afghanistan was pointless and expensive or if you prefer, patriotic and lucrative.
But Obama didn't leave. The one guy who did leave in 2021 was the one guy asking the tough questions in 2009. Biden.
Thank you, President Biden, for getting us the fuck out of Afghanistan.
Really, the entire defense establishment was opposed to leaving because they don't hand out medals and promotions for losing. Petraeus sold Obama a bill of goods. That got Petraeus Director of the CIA, well, until his dick undid it. Michael Flynn, a Bill Gates favorite, had a report ghost written saying something needed to be done. That got Flynn Director of the DIA. Afghanistan was pointless and expensive or if you prefer, patriotic and lucrative.
But Obama didn't leave. The one guy who did leave in 2021 was the one guy asking the tough questions in 2009. Biden.
Thank you, President Biden, for getting us the fuck out of Afghanistan.
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pusslicker
Super Anarchist
Didn't Trump negotiate the surrender to the Taliban? So Joe just executed what was already planned by the previous admin. I'm not trying to diminish it, but Trump had surrendered already. Kind of like Bush paying off the insurrectionists and negotiating the way out and Obama executing it.
Sol Rosenberg
Girthy Member
Indeed. It’s happened twice now. Don’t forget about Foxy News catapulting the propaganda, and voila! A BS talking point is born.
pusslicker
Super Anarchist
Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
Unfortunately, you're right. It's a big reason why the country is so fucked up. They've flooded the zone with bullshit
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