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Think I spoke to early, going backwards Is not fast!
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The 2018 Golden Globe Race
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bucc5062
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As I read before, her tracker is on a 1 hour mode and from the loosk of her track it would seem so since it is fairly refined. If Don told her to sail backwards and she actually survives this I would hope for two things...
1 - When she gets to the finish line she kicks his ass from here to kingdom come, sending right into the fucking middle of the storm.
2 - She stops listening to his "advice"
Looking at her track, had she instead angled more north when she got the news she would be closer to the edge of this thing. Instead, she sailed south right into the heart. Wave heights 2 hours from now look like 5 to 6 meters and from her current course, more from the side then either bow on or stern. This cannot be anything close to a good ride right now.
1 - When she gets to the finish line she kicks his ass from here to kingdom come, sending right into the fucking middle of the storm.
2 - She stops listening to his "advice"
Looking at her track, had she instead angled more north when she got the news she would be closer to the edge of this thing. Instead, she sailed south right into the heart. Wave heights 2 hours from now look like 5 to 6 meters and from her current course, more from the side then either bow on or stern. This cannot be anything close to a good ride right now.
Too many posts from GGR on FB to go back through but I think the thing was not charging properly anyway and batt levels go low so when the ship was abandoned they cut the reporting back to once per day and then a few days later (On 3rd Oct it sent its last report)
littlechay
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Right. And what was previously a wave train generated by northerlies is now from the south. The shape will be shit!
Before I thought Don was just a peculiar Luddite who managed to get a bunch of suckers to pay him to risk their lives according to his rules, but at least there was some "integrity" to the event eh?
But now it seems like he likes playing God to intervene and give bad advice w/ incomplete weather picture, that's at best negligent and dangerous/reckless with another's life - at worst? He's hoping to steer ppl into disaster so he can get more cheap attention and clicks on his stupid site.
But now it seems like he likes playing God to intervene and give bad advice w/ incomplete weather picture, that's at best negligent and dangerous/reckless with another's life - at worst? He's hoping to steer ppl into disaster so he can get more cheap attention and clicks on his stupid site.
Your Mom
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I was trying to see if I could come up with a rationale for his recommendation. The best I can think of is... the heaviest wind seems to be narrowest in the SW quadrant... and she's gotten into a spot where she can broad reach through that narrowest part (albeit with negative VMG) while the system moves downcourse. So this would limit her time being exposed to the heaviest stuff to something like 6-8 hours. Whereas continuing Eastbound and/or being caught by the wider North end of it, she may have been in it for significantly longer.
I'm not saying it was good advice. That's simply the best rationale I can think of for her course.
I'm not saying it was good advice. That's simply the best rationale I can think of for her course.
littlechay
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Yes I agree that would be the rationale for choosing that path. But it doesnt seem to consider sea state; which is what dismasts sailing vessels. Don seems mortally afraid of wind, so much so that he is blind to all other factors. IMO
jack_sparrow
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You are missing the point...you don't have to constantly charge their fixed trackers ...a full battery will last for 6 months or more?
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jack_sparrow
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It is easy to forget that Suzi has got herself into this pickle as it seems her routing ability isn't that brilliant which is exacerbated by the stupid "voice only weather" platform they are all encumbered with. No better example of how it has failed is this 11th hour routing crap being offered up by the RO from time to time. I betcha that wasn't in the pre-race briefings.
It is dumb and negligant. I also think it has come about by the RO lining up and drinking from the same trough of self importance where RKJ likes to dip his head from time to time, or at least getting it by osmosis.
If someone else has to be rescued in this event the sailing world needs to give this guy an uppercut. He is cashing in our goodwill cheques from the people who pay for it.
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bucc5062
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Hold on Jack...She done fairly okay for a young solo sailor. Not great, but let's give it that she is in fourth and had been creeping up on her competition.
Don royally fucker her over.
This is Susie now. She's in winds over 50 and waves over 7 meters. She's there mainly because he gave her bad advice and she listened, because...because she didn't have proper information in front of her to start. Sails backwards...go south...fucking asshole.
I cannot imagine those conditions, and maybe the graphics make it seem worse, but end of the day..Don should have stayed the fuck off the radio and let the skippers do their thing and at best, give them better weather data.
He directed her into the worst of that system and to me...that was a shit thing to do.
jack_sparrow
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Might be "fairly okay" but her "routing ability" is not up to standard required for being in the Sth Ocean in Sept/Oct in a 36' clunker...though yes there are those with worse ability, but that is not the survival measure. You can't lay all the blame at the RO's door.
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Come on Jack all these ppl voluntarily signed off for this - but considering her youth and inexperience, Don's supposed experience and being isolated, she's going to be more than likely listen to his half arsed routing because who else does she have?
A voice when you're all alone is a voice you're going to trust. Not knowing what shore team she has, Don deserves whatever fallout if she comes out if this for the worse.
A voice when you're all alone is a voice you're going to trust. Not knowing what shore team she has, Don deserves whatever fallout if she comes out if this for the worse.
jack_sparrow
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Miff I don't disagree but simply making the point the opportunities and constraints for this thing were pretty transparent at day 1 and some should have spent more time in the routing department. That is for being competitive and or staying in one piece, their choice. The RO is not responsible for individual responses in that regard.
However those constraints imposed and what has transpired since rests 100% at the RO's door.
However those constraints imposed and what has transpired since rests 100% at the RO's door.
jack_sparrow
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From the FP
http://sailinganarchy.com/2018/10/16/the-next-sydney-to-hobart-winner/
I tend to get my S&S pedegree mixed up but pretty sure the orginal timber version of the subsequent GRP production versions (different builders) used by notable solists Jon Sanders double circumnavigation in Perie Banouv (1981/82), David Dicks in Seaflight (1996/97), Jesse Martin in Lionheart (1999-2000) and 16yo Jessica Watson in Pink Lady (the RO's boat) in 2009/10.
Would rather be in this than these long keeled things.
http://sailinganarchy.com/2018/10/16/the-next-sydney-to-hobart-winner/
I tend to get my S&S pedegree mixed up but pretty sure the orginal timber version of the subsequent GRP production versions (different builders) used by notable solists Jon Sanders double circumnavigation in Perie Banouv (1981/82), David Dicks in Seaflight (1996/97), Jesse Martin in Lionheart (1999-2000) and 16yo Jessica Watson in Pink Lady (the RO's boat) in 2009/10.
Would rather be in this than these long keeled things.
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Just sailed over 12,000 miles solo, in the midst of a big gale in the Southern Ocean, from the tracker it looks like Susie is handling that boat well in the heavy stuff. I'd say she is several notches above "fairly okay" or the worse treatment from others. Only three of eighteen have done any better than her so far, and that includes VDH who has has many laps of the planet to his credit so that's sort of another matter.
As for the advice from Don
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I understand what you ate saying jack. I was initially trying to inform anyone who had missed the fact that the tracker had stopped and made it's last report on the 3rd October at 0000. There was some info on the GGR FB page about it. I suppose there is a possibility it could have been damaged by falling rigging ?
jack_sparrow
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Miff if you troll back through the records of BOC, VG and others looking at the lattitude bands, daily runs, who came to grief and how etc. The first half seems to be quick but milder but still a lot of incidents, maybe speed related and second half more brutal intensity and duration plus with less room to escape thanks to Cape Horn low lat target, higher back end wear and tear, etc but interestingly it seems not a disproprtiate number of more incidents.
However what makes that statistical snapshot quickly irrelevent is the comparative time of the year. The mid year start plus wrongly estimating SOG's incl fleet spread makes the planning behind this thing looks more and more like decision stupidity. Maybe what is behind these brain explosions by the RO to suddenly offer individual routing advice which realistically it is too late.
While Heede's timing/position on the course looks not too brilliant for avoidance, he does have the luxury of tiptoeing to Cape Horn with more weather knowledge at his command and utilising it better it seems than those in his rear vision mirror? Easy to forget it is not even November yet.
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jack_sparrow
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Mate I certainly missed that which your keen eye caught. Maybe cranking up the update interval to continuous or something after it was known he was cactus may have chewed through Tomy's battery capacity?
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