The absolute JOKE that is American Health Care

[Expat Canuck]

Yes , however you get the type of service , procedures and drugs that your government allows when , where and IF
The competitive American model is rapidly advancing with medical practitioners offering the latest and most promising treatments
and happy to take your insurance private or MediCare

Here you PROVE that you have NO idea what TF you are talking about.

I have NEVER had the care recommendation of a doctor in Canada overruled by a government bureaucrat. Becasue there are not bureaucrats sitting in cubicles overseeing what doctors are doing.

I HAVE had the care recommendation of a doctor in the USA overruled by an insurance company employee.

Government funded healthcare does NOT equal "government controlled"

 

[Ishmael]

Here you PROVE that you have NO idea what TF you are talking about.

I have NEVER had the care recommendation of a doctor in Canada overruled by a government bureaucrat. Becasue there are not bureaucrats sitting in cubicles overseeing what doctors are doing.

I HAVE had the care recommendation of a doctor in the USA overruled by an insurance company employee.

Government funded healthcare does NOT equal "government controlled"

And in many locations, if you want to skip the queue and get anything done different/faster, there are private clinics happy to take your money.
Or you can take your chance and go to the US and risk getting shot on the way to treatment.

 

[jdege]

The U.K.’s Government-Run Healthcare Service Is in Crisis
The NHS is struggling under the effects of budget cuts, Covid delays and an aging population

For more than a decade, the British government has run its National Health Service, the world’s largest government-run healthcare system, on a tight budget. The NHS prided itself on being one of the leanest healthcare systems in the developed world, spending less per head on average than its large European neighbors—and far less than the U.S.

Now the state-funded service is falling apart. People who suffer heart attacks or strokes wait more than 1½ hours on average for an ambulance. Hospitals are so full they are turning patients away. A record 7.1 million people in England—more than one in 10 people—are stuck on waiting lists for nonemergency hospital treatment like hip replacements. The NHS on Monday faced the biggest strike in its history, with thousands of paramedics and nurses walking out over pay.

 

[Raz'r]

Yes, from what I’ve read the German-style system of single payer and competing providers does seem to provide superior HC outcomes at, compared to the US anyway, low cost.

 

[Fat Point Jack]

Which personal freedoms have been taken from you?

Which personal freedoms have been taken from you?

 

[phill_nz]

$20 for a surgery ANYONE would receive in the USA is the trade off for giving up personal freedoms

you dont read well do you
the $20 was returned to me when i took the wooden crutches back

what freedoms did i give up

you make a lot of shit up you can not back up in any truthful way

 

[Bristol-Cruiser]

Yes , however you get the type of service , procedures and drugs that your government allows when , where and IF
The competitive American model is rapidly advancing with medical practitioners offering the latest and most promising treatments
and happy to take your insurance private or MediCare

If the US model of healthcare delivery is so poor why does the US do so poorly on measures like life expectancy and infant mortality?

 

[veni vidi vici]

If the US model of healthcare delivery is so poor why does the US do so poorly on measures like life expectancy and infant mortality?

Phony stats serving a political agenda
Just like Xiden claiming inflation is lower
For loinfomofo’z, it is lower than it has been after he skyed it with massive Federal unfunded spending, cutting the legs out from our own energy independence, from being a net energy exporter, clamping down on the private sector’s.
Yeah inflation is “lower “
It was 1.6 % when he took his hands off the Bible with his fingers crossed on his free hand

 

[Fat Point Jack]

4th time:

Which personal freedoms have been taken from you?

 

[veni vidi vici]

4th time:

Which personal freedoms have been taken from you?

Pay check garnished for Social Security and Medicare
for starters
and then only to have those funds plundered for a long list frivolous social programs and other governmental programs

 

[Bristol-Cruiser]

Phony stats serving a political agenda
Just like Xiden claiming inflation is lower
For loinfomofo’z, it is lower than it has been after he skyed it with massive Federal unfunded spending, cutting the legs out from our own energy independence, from being a net energy exporter, clamping down on the private sector’s.
Yeah inflation is “lower “
It was 1.6 % when he took his hands off the Bible with his fingers crossed on his free hand

Can we stick to the topic of the thread, the quality of US healthcare. Certainly helpful to be able to ignore 'inconvenient' stats from the UN, the World Bank, and even the US Census Bureau and the CIA (they have a great database online - your tax dollars at work). According to the Census folks, the US ranks 48th for life expectancy and 53rd for child (under 5) mortality out of the 225 entities they rank (countries, colonies, etc). What political agenda do all of these entities share that makes them so unreliable? If you don't trust statistical agencies how do you know if the US ranks first, last, or somewhere in between? Facts matter, Bozo.

https://www.census.gov/data-tools/demo/idb/#/table?COUNTRY_YEAR=2023&COUNTRY_YR_ANIM=2023

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/

 

[veni vidi vici]

Can we stick to the topic of the thread, the quality of US healthcare. Certainly helpful to be able to ignore 'inconvenient' stats from the UN, the World Bank, and even the US Census Bureau and the CIA (they have a great database online - your tax dollars at work). According to the Census folks, the US ranks 48th for life expectancy and 53rd for child (under 5) mortality out of the 225 entities they rank (countries, colonies, etc). What political agenda do all of these entities share that makes them so unreliable? If you don't trust statistical agencies how do you know if the US ranks first, last, or somewhere in between? Facts matter, Bozo.

https://www.census.gov/data-tools/demo/idb/#/table?COUNTRY_YEAR=2023&COUNTRY_YR_ANIM=2023

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/

The government is self serving and those stats only their support for more of the people’s money.
We are talking about the quality of available health care and the United States has by every measure the highest quality , easiest accessibility .
It also has great availability for anyone finding themselves in a hospital needing emergency care.
Everyone of the 2 million border crossers can get emergency care and never pay a dime.
Those costs are passed on to Me !

 

[Bristol-Cruiser]

The government is self serving and those stats only their support for more of the people’s money.
We are talking about the quality of available health care and the United States has by every measure the highest quality , easiest accessibility .

But you have provided those measures, only stated your opinion. If the quality and availability of healthcare was so good the outcomes like LE and child mortality would be more in keeping with the usual suspects - Western Europe, Canada, Japan, Oz, et al and they certainly are not.

Have a look at the CIA Facebook, it is quite good. It identifies the realties of North Korea, Russia, Sweden and the US by providing comparative data. I can only picture some guy picking up women in a bar and talking about working for the CIA, when all he does is data collection and presentation in a cubical in the basement.

 

[130lights]

Pay check garnished for Social Security and Medicare
for starters
and then only to have those funds plundered for a long list frivolous social programs and other governmental programs

SS and Medicare are taxes.
Do you know what a garnishment is?

 

[Ishmael]

SS and Medicare are taxes.
Do you know what a garnishment is?

Yeah, it's that fancy radish on his brandy glass.

 

[mathystuff]

Can we stick to the topic of the thread, the quality of US healthcare. Certainly helpful to be able to ignore 'inconvenient' stats from the UN, the World Bank, and even the US Census Bureau and the CIA (they have a great database online - your tax dollars at work). According to the Census folks, the US ranks 48th for life expectancy and 53rd for child (under 5) mortality out of the 225 entities they rank (countries, colonies, etc). What political agenda do all of these entities share that makes them so unreliable? If you don't trust statistical agencies how do you know if the US ranks first, last, or somewhere in between? Facts matter, Bozo.

https://www.census.gov/data-tools/demo/idb/#/table?COUNTRY_YEAR=2023&COUNTRY_YR_ANIM=2023

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/

Careful, don't hurt the RWNJ with facts. Don't you know they are allergic?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Careful, don't hurt the RWNJ with facts. Don't you know they are allergic?

Russian Collusion

 

[mathystuff]

Russian Collusion

You see?

Now it has an anaphylactic shock inhibiting its frontal lobe function.

 

[Expat Canuck]

It also has great availability for anyone finding themselves in a hospital needing emergency care.

Again, you prove that you have no clue what you are talking about.

- emergency care is not health care
- as has been pointed out above in this thread, emergency room wait times are similar in Canada and the US (as well as other places).
- the only feature of US emergency rooms that is not seen elsewhere is that in the US, after they are done treating you, they hound you with bills (whether or not you have insurance), and if you don't have insurance, they will not stop until you are bankrupt.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Again, you prove that you have no clue what you are talking about.

- emergency care is not health care
- as has been pointed out above in this thread, emergency room wait times are similar in Canada and the US (as well as other places).
- the only feature of US emergency rooms that is not seen elsewhere is that in the US, after they are done treating you, they hound you with bills (whether or not you have insurance), and if you don't have insurance, they will not stop until you are bankrupt.

Yeah… nothing wrong with that
and no one is turned away from medical treatment in any ER