The AC 37 has started, news and rumours

[Guest]

Precisely Sailbydate, thanks for pointing that out. No less inaccuracy than one would expect.

What has not been 'crunched' is, as I mentioned in my latest piece' the long term benefits of the waterfront developments for AC 2000/2003 which some 20 years later are still generating various benefits to Aucklanders and the wider New Zealand population. Those benefits include the image of the Auckland waterfront, financial benefits in terms of employment, business profits and tax dollars and social benefit in the more comfortable ambience of that area of Auckland. "Hard numbers', as Anarchist David puts it, really doesn't account for the fiscal value of these benefits. some of which would require a qualified sociologist to attempt to put a value on. Of course it wouldn't benefit the naysayers' argument to include those just as lumping (as I heard) the required waste/storm water improvements in as an AC cost when they were required, and overdue, in any case.

The term "lies, damn lies & statistics" originally credited to Samuel Langhorne Clements seems quite appropriate in this context.

A bit of puffery here, every waterfront in every major city with a downtown has been gentrified. It would have happened in AK anyway but the AC gave it an adrenaline shot. 

 

[Guest]

Amazon, yes from my home town Seattle, has truly massive data centers across the Cascade mountain range from here, all hydro-powered from dams on the Columbia River. That power source is not ideal either (let's go, Fusion power!) but it's as close to idyllic as is possible for now.

Both Bezos and Gates are funding a variety of techs that could actually make fusion reactors a reality within a few years and the implications would be... well pretty f'ing stunning.

One example

Nuclear energy: Fusion plant backed by Jeff Bezos to be built in UK - BBC News  

Fusion isnt  that the thing that is always just about to work but never does?

 

[shanghaisailor]

A bit of puffery here, every waterfront in every major city with a downtown has been gentrified. It would have happened in AK anyway but the AC gave it an adrenaline shot. 

I don't disagree for a moment but to any attempt to land the blame (and bill) at the AC door is just political BS

 

[Kate short for Bob]

A bit of puffery here, every waterfront in every major city with a downtown has been gentrified. It would have happened in AK anyway but the AC gave it an adrenaline shot. 

Correct.  Not only gave it an adrenaline shot but the involvement of private enterprise and the high profile of the event meant that the Council actually got off their arses and delivered.  Meanwhile a few streets up entire blocks of downtown Auckland are a ghost town come cone town with businesses going to the wall.  That was hidden from the TV screens during the AC wasn't it?

 

[dg_sailingfan]

Jeddah has apparently summitted a Government-backed Hosting Bid for AC37 BEFORE the September 17th Deadline writes Yacht Racing Life Editor Justin Grisholm in his latest Post leaving them in Pole Position & clear Frontrunner to host AC37 in three years time.

 

[Stingray~]

Fusion isnt  that the thing that is always just about to work but never does?

Yes, the joke has always been that free-clean Fusion power is 'just 30 years around the corner.'

 But since I follow that subject I'm reasonably optimistic, there have been some amazing developments recently with all the money now being sunk into innovative research. 

Can you even begin to imagine a planet where we have basically free, clean, UNLIMITED power? Holy crap! 3D floating in air cities? Everything automagic? Like with the invention of electricity it could 'shock' our world into a sudden, higher existence, a humankind evolution.

Go Bezos..

 

[mako23]

But we also burn a lot of shit grade coal from Indonesia. Go figure.

I’ll never go figure that, we have plenty of coal and we’re importing coal ?? I wonder what political party might have contributed to this situation. 

 

[Horn Rock]

37th America’s Cup | Members Update

Please find to follow a statement from the Commodore following a release from Emirates Team New Zealand today surrounding the recent funding discussions for the 37th America’s Cup Defence.   

RNZYS is concerned and disappointed with recent findings on a potential funding arrangement that might have enabled the 37th America’s Cup Defence to be held in Auckland. 

RNZYS first met with Mark Dunphy on 1 July. Since this meeting RNZYS have continued to encourage both Mark Dunphy and Grant Dalton to meet. RNZYS expressed this in writing as recently as Monday of this week.  This would now seem extremely unlikely given what has been found.   

RNZYS as Trustee of the America’s Cup is very aware of the responsibilities that brings.  The RNZYS General Committee is responsible for all decisions the Club makes including anything to do with the America’s Cup and will in due course consider any further action.   

ETNZ and RNZYS have an agreement with ETNZ who is responsible for conducting the defence of the 37th America’s Cup. As our representative team, ETNZ have the full support of the RNZYS. RNZYS has a preference that the defence be held in Auckland with the caveat that there is funding to run a credible defence together with support from Local & Central Government.  

Aaron Young
RNZYS Commodore

 

[Stingray~]

Signed,

Grant Dalton.

 

[Guest]

Correct.  Not only gave it an adrenaline shot but the involvement of private enterprise and the high profile of the event meant that the Council actually got off their arses and delivered.  Meanwhile a few streets up entire blocks of downtown Auckland are a ghost town come cone town with businesses going to the wall.  That was hidden from the TV screens during the AC wasn't it?

Auckland doesnt know what it wants to be anymore, retail, office, residential, hospitality..... maybe just whole lot of shitty tourist souvenir shops? 

 

[Guest]

RNZYS has a preference that the defence be held in Auckland with the caveat that there is funding to run a credible defence together with support from Local & Central Government.  

Aaron Young
RNZYS Commodore

Socialism in action

 

[Horn Rock]

Socialism in action

Govts build stadiums for rugby...Are you against that as well?

 

[Sea Breeze 74]

This is the boat Farmer races.

And who is Farmer's friend that often sails with him on Georgia as tactician?

Fucking Brad Butterworth. Butterball is always trying to shit stir TNZ and I find it highly unlikely he's not up to something behind the scenes right now. Keep looking over your shoulder buddy. (I couldn't help slotting in a nice photo of Georgia - Bay Week 2014)

 

[Horn Rock]

Butterball is always trying to shit stir TNZ and I find it highly unlikely he's not up to something behind the scenes right now.

Absolutely.....not necessarily behind the scenes, but front and centre with Bertarelli....Probably still has his Swiss passport.....

 

[mako23]

Socialism in action

I guess the Olympics is also socialism in action 

 

[Guest]

Govts build stadiums for rugby...Are you against that as well?

When its socialised losses and privatised profits then generally yes. That said I will pay a fee to watch an event and i dont mind paying for a mate so if the NZ public has an appetite for it and the funds are there then its a bit like an entry fee?  But to be fair on the stadia front anyone with talent and drive can find the opportunity to play high level rugby in NZ, it appeals to a huge section of the population from kids to retirees. AC sailing meh not so much.

In the end who benefits?

The downtown property developers, the air bnb hosts, Dalts, the RNZYS, a few business owners etc sure some workers get jobs but by and large the main beneficiaries of any govt funds go to land owners, to the haves; ka fucking ching. The have nots get to watch it bread and circuses style, the team ac builders certainly dont get any of the cream unless you think getting the right to do lots of hours at average wages is dibs in. So yes I don't want my tax dollars handed over the billionaires cock waving match when there are schools needing funding and nurses needing training.

Id much rather the Arabs took the whole shitshow to Arabia and sailed it in sand yachts with the Taliban steering than have it back in Auckland with the lineup of media managed robots pumping oil and twiddling playstations with barely a personality among the entire fleet. then have to pay for it to boot.

 

[Guest]

I guess the Olympics is also socialism in action 

The Olympics are a total clusterfuck of drugs, cheating, dark money, bribery and bullshit so yes its socialism in action

 

[Sea Breeze 74]

I meant to give Bay Sailing Week a plug. Get your entries in now https://bayofislandssailingweek.org.nz/

... and to their credit, Georgia has already entered!

 

[Forourselves]

When its socialised losses and privatised profits then generally yes. That said I will pay a fee to watch an event and i dont mind paying for a mate so if the NZ public has an appetite for it and the funds are there then its a bit like an entry fee?  But to be fair on the stadia front anyone with talent and drive can find the opportunity to play high level rugby in NZ, it appeals to a huge section of the population from kids to retirees. AC sailing meh not so much.

In the end who benefits?

The downtown property developers, the air bnb hosts, Dalts, the RNZYS, a few business owners etc sure some workers get jobs but by and large the main beneficiaries of any govt funds go to land owners, to the haves; ka fucking ching. The have nots get to watch it bread and circuses style, the team ac builders certainly dont get any of the cream unless you think getting the right to do lots of hours at average wages is dibs in. So yes I don't want my tax dollars handed over the billionaires cock waving match when there are schools needing funding and nurses needing training.

Id much rather the Arabs took the whole shitshow to Arabia and sailed it in sand yachts with the Taliban steering than have it back in Auckland with the lineup of media managed robots pumping oil and twiddling playstations with barely a personality among the entire fleet. then have to pay for it to boot.

Oh my god. So wrong on so many levels.

 

[Guest]

Oh my god. So wrong on so many levels.

Which part, I quite like the idea of the Taliban steering