The AC 37 has started, news and rumours

Xlot

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True. Would surely be 90' cats with retractable foils, auto-flight control, solid wings (different sizes for different winds). Fast and expensive
Hmm ... not one cat in the French Ultime class. AC33 has shown conclusively that platform stresses are too high, plus tris are very much favored by the DoG measurement criteria (LWL measured on the center hull, while amas can be much longer)

 

accnick

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A DoG match just specifies the max LWL of the vessel.  Are these current AC boats faster than the Oracle DoG?
In a pure DoG match, the challenger supplies specific details of the boat he intends to challenge with, along with the challenge. These required details are outlined in the DoG. 

The  Defender then determines what boat he will defend with.

This is how we ended up with the dog vs cat match in 1988.

In a less than completely hostile DoG match, the challenger and defender might agree to meet in a specified class or type of boat, provided it complied with the Deed limits.

The AC75 is dramatically faster than Dogzilla, which was not a foiling boat.

 

accnick

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Hmm ... not one cat in the French Ultime class. AC33 has shown conclusively that platform stresses are too high, plus tris are very much favored by the DoG measurement criteria (LWL measured on the center hull, while amas can be much longer)
The amas can be longer provided their immersed length does not increase measured static waterline length beyond the DoG max.

The method of waterline measurement for multihulls was litigated prior to the 2010 match.

 

accnick

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That is not the meaning of "DoG match", which signifies "no mutual consent".
No, it does not.  Even in a hostile DoG match, the two parties may agree to certain items.

All AC matches are run under the terms of the Deed of Gift, one way or another. It is the ultimate governing document.

 

dogwatch

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No, it does not.  Even in a hostile DoG match, the two parties may agree to certain items.
Well, if you want to use words in a different sense to everyone else, that's up to you. It does however limit the possibility of conversation.

When "DoG match" was used in AC27 and AC33, it indicated no MC. I don't recall the term being used to describe another cycle.

 

porthos

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Well, if you want to use words in a different sense to everyone else, that's up to you. It does however limit the possibility of conversation.

When "DoG match" was used in AC27 and AC33, it indicated no MC. I don't recall the term being used to describe another cycle.
In AC33, the court told the teams to hold the cup either in Valencia, because they had previously agreed to that, or SNG could pick some other Deed-compliant place. So, yeah, even in a match where the teams don’t agree on the boat, they can still agree on things like venue.

 

enigmatically2

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Irrespective of terminology the point is that:

If GD picks Jeddah AND Ineos don't want Jeddah

Then Ineos can threaten to trigger a DoG match on 1st Feb which would then have to be in southern hemisphere

Though they are prepared to accept AC75s in 2023 as long as its in AKL - or anywhere outside ME

From a racing point of view and for enjoyment of their crews killing off Jeddah would seem to be a great idea for Ineos. Though of course JR might be piggy-backing some oil deal on this for all we know

 

Xlot

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In a less than completely hostile DoG match, the challenger and defender might agree to meet in a specified class or type of boat, provided it complied with the Deed limits.
IIRC the only technical agreement in AC33 was allowing power mainsheets

 

accnick

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IIRC the only technical agreement in AC33 was allowing power mainsheets
They basically had to agree to waive some parts of the RRS.  That included what are now RRS 52 (manual power)and 53 (skin friction).

The final rules governing the sailing must be published somewhere that some Anarchist can ferret out.

 

Stingray~

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SNG changed their RRS to allow powered systems - and tried to hide that change from Oracle. When Alinghi started releasing their grinders, Oracle got tipped off to it. 

Although Oracle did contest the change it actually helped them too. Even using a solid wing, DZ had ridiculous-level power requirements. 

 

accnick

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SNG changed their RRS to allow powered systems - and tried to hide that change from Oracle. When Alinghi started releasing their grinders, Oracle got tipped off to it. 

Although Oracle did contest the change it actually helped them too. Even using a solid wing, DZ had ridiculous-level power requirements. 
And they had an engine to meet those needs. Both boats had engines that ran full-time.

 

NeedAClew

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Maybe just call her "that gal from down under" worked for the forgettable SCOMO. Thanks for the billions, BTW.

Jacinda Ardern. 

 


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