sailman
Super Anarchist
Even if it is agreed in the protocol to sail in the AC 40 events how does that pass muster with a team that just wants to compete in the AC75s for the AC?
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dogwatch
Super Anarchist
The Protocol sets the rules for the complete event. Eligibility to participate in the AC itself may be predicated on participation in all the preliminary events. That has been typical of recent AC Protocols.
sailman
Super Anarchist
Chobani Sailor
Anarchist
AC37 shooting for 3 world series events - 2 to be held in the AC40's and the 3rd event, i.e. the Christmas Cup to be held in the AC75
Forourselves
Super Anarchist
porthos
Super Anarchist
No. Nor would such a challenge succeed.
Under the Deed (which is the controlling document), there are only two teams that have any right to sail for the cup: the defender and challenger. No other teams (on either the defender or challenger side) have any right to participate. Moreover, the only contest the Deed controls is the match. The Deed gives no rights to any team regarding the nature of a challenger or defender series.
In recent history, however, the defender and challenger have agreed in the Protocol to open the event up to other teams. Those teams get whatever rights are available to them in the Protocol. If the Protocol requires teams to participate in some other series (like the ACWS) in order to participate in the cup match, then that's what those teams have to do. If a non-defender/challenger team does not like what the Protocol requires with respect to the specifics of a challenger or defender series, that team's only options are to either go along with the requirements or choose not to participate.
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dg_sailingfan
Super Anarchist
Terry,
Having some ACWS Events in the new AC40 Class was always on the cards.
However I strongly disagree having the CSS in different Venues. That's just not going to happen. Jim Ratcliffe & INEOS would certainly object to that. The CSS will be held at the same Venue as the Match is.
dg_sailingfan
Super Anarchist
That would make a boatload of sense to me. The 3rd ACWS/Christmas Cup would probably be raced in the Venue of the CSS & Cup Match itself.
dogwatch
Super Anarchist
How would that work then? The defender and CoR would have mutually signed off on the protocol and in terms of the DoG, they are the only ones who count. If other wannabe-challengers don't want to play by protocol rules and don't sign it, they aren't in the game and have no standing. If they do sign it, they are bound by it, including being bound by decisions of the arbitration panel.
JALhazmat
Super Anarchist
They also said they would have announced the venue by now too… let’s hope they can get that done soon before they take another 8 months per location to work out where they want the circus to travel too for a “global event/fund raiser”..
sailman
Super Anarchist
So the only one that could object for this iteration is INEOS. If they wanted to cut Dalton’s lunch and kill off his AC40 fund raising they could?
In theory, but INEOS will want to do what gives them the best chances of winning the Cup. Everything else is just noise.
If that means a DoG Match, so be it, but that is a serious gamble. ETNZ already has the best AC 75, and the question is whether in the DoG timeframe, INEOS could come up with a boat of some type capable of beating the boat that won the last AC.
We know that foiling changes the calculus, and makes a boat like Dogzilla irrelevant in a DoG match today. Freed of the constraints of a class rule of any type, maybe INEOS can do better. Maybe, maybe not. Their old AC 75 would probably not be the weapon they would want to choose, and may not even be the right starting point for a DoG challenge with a good budget but a tight timeframe.
dogwatch
Super Anarchist
^
What is missing from your analysis is money, Ineos has got it, TNZ, it appears, hasn’t and will not find a venue prepared to pay a fortune for a two team, two or three races DoG match. Plucky giant killer is all very romantic but no a no-money DoG defence is a tall order.
I am no fan of JR but if he actually wanted to win that way, we’d be seeing different behaviour by now. He’s giving Dalton runway to sort his team out.
What is missing from your analysis is money, Ineos has got it, TNZ, it appears, hasn’t and will not find a venue prepared to pay a fortune for a two team, two or three races DoG match. Plucky giant killer is all very romantic but no a no-money DoG defence is a tall order.
I am no fan of JR but if he actually wanted to win that way, we’d be seeing different behaviour by now. He’s giving Dalton runway to sort his team out.
zillafreak
Anarchist
Oh for Chrissakes pick a goddamn venue and release the protocol you fucks. GET ON WITH IT
Forourselves
Super Anarchist
There is no reason or rush to release the protocol.
Better that the venue selection process is completed thoroughly with i's dotted and t's crossed.
Not sure why everyone is getting impatient, as other Defenders have taken 12 months plus to release the protocol. November is only 8 months from the end of the final race of AC36.
Better that the venue selection process is completed thoroughly with i's dotted and t's crossed.
Not sure why everyone is getting impatient, as other Defenders have taken 12 months plus to release the protocol. November is only 8 months from the end of the final race of AC36.
Forourselves
Super Anarchist
^ Which in itself is largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
The last defender replaced the class rule mid cycle, so a few extra weeks of wait is nothing.
The last defender replaced the class rule mid cycle, so a few extra weeks of wait is nothing.
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The deadline was met. There was an announcement about a future announcement. So all is good.
