The AC 37 has started, news and rumours

[bigrpowr]

I don't like this here either. But I will object to letting you have the last word. Just as I object to Rittenhouse getting perks for murder. I also object to your use of his first name. Like he's your bud. Even though you profess to not consider him a hero. It's not OK to take your gun to a protest in another state, shoot some people, and the plead self defense and ignorance. Ignorance is not a valid defense. People who commit crimes because they are stupid actually get caught and convicted often. I guess sometimes the white kids get off on that stupid defense sometimes, but that is not OK either.

just shut up already.

 

[Sea Breeze 74]

Some background. But you've probably seen this already?

'Emirates Team New Zealand's chief designer Dan Bernasconi says he was initially skeptical that it would be possible to develop an AI Bot that would work in the America's Cup context. While it was easy enough to get a the AC75 agent to sail in a straight line, tacking and gybing was a lot more complex.

"The crucial moment came when it started beating the sailors," says Bernasconi. "It could do upwind and downwind times and tacks that were better than the sailors. That was the moment when we thought, OK this is going to be useful."

When one of the design team comes up with a new foil design, it can be run through the AI agent, which will immediately tell the designer whether it is faster or slower than the "learned" AC75 that the bot has developed based on its learnings and improvements developed from the current performance data from Te Rehutai.

The team claim that the process is ten times faster than normal testing processes - and is accurate.'

https://www.sail-world.com/news/235683/Americas-Cup-AI-lifts-Kiwi-crew-to-a-new-level 

I still find it extraordinary that ETNZ used a homemade AI system in AC35 to develop a hugely superior boat against a team owned and sponsored by one of the biggest software companies in the world. Even Oracle's starting software let them down on several occasions ... shit, I've got a Garmin watch and some freeware on a cheap tablet that leads me to the line perfectly every time*

* the software is bang on, I'm often not

 

[floater]

I still find it extraordinary that ETNZ used a homemade AI system in AC35 to develop a hugely superior boat against a team owned and sponsored by one of the biggest software companies in the world. Even Oracle's starting software let them down on several occasions ... shit, I've got a Garmin watch and some freeware on a cheap tablet that leads me to the line perfectly every time*

* the software is bang on, I'm often not

doesn't surprise me even slightly. oracle is a database company. that's what Larry knows. not software.

software is no better than the team writing it. oracle, being a corporation, doesn't know shit about developing good software. 

 

[Pizza on Fire]

Much to the disdain of the MAGA-loving, Arab-hating crowd of this forum, Jiddah will be the start and finish of the upcoming Dakar rally. It is so strange to see that the yachting community suddenly went berserk about "safety" in Jiddah while everybody else that will crisscross the KSA isn't batting an eye!!!

I imagine that every car, truck or motorcycle taking part in the rally will be escorted by an armored Humvee full of marines, an Apache helicopter and a B2 Stealth Bomber just in case the "terrorists" attack…       

https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x85vz5h

 

[Chobani Sailor]

16 minutes ago, Pizza on Fire said:

Much to the disdain of the MAGA-loving, Arab-hating crowd of this forum, Jiddah will be the start and finish of the upcoming Dakar rally. It is so strange to see that the yachting community suddenly went berserk about "safety" in Jiddah while everybody else that will crisscross the KSA isn't batting an eye!!!

I imagine that every car, truck or motorcycle taking part in the rally will be escorted by an armored Humvee full of marines, an Apache helicopter and a B2 Stealth Bomber just in case the "terrorists" attack…       

https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x85vz5h

When did the teams arrive into Saudi Arabia?  How many people make up a team?  When does the event end?

 

[enigmatically2]

Much to the disdain of the MAGA-loving, Arab-hating crowd of this forum, Jiddah will be the start and finish of the upcoming Dakar rally. It is so strange to see that the yachting community suddenly went berserk about "safety" in Jiddah while everybody else that will crisscross the KSA isn't batting an eye!!!

I imagine that every car, truck or motorcycle taking part in the rally will be escorted by an armored Humvee full of marines, an Apache helicopter and a B2 Stealth Bomber just in case the "terrorists" attack…       

Don't try that anti-Arab crap again. Most of us are not opposed to KSA as a venue because we are MAGA-loving (hardly likely for those of that are European) or because we are racist and hate Arabs or because of safety fears.

We dislike KSA because of its appalling human rights record, including its own appalling racist treatment of immigrants from south Asia.

You deny being a KSA shill but you sure as hell try and twist the reasons for our opposition like one. 

 

[Rennmaus]

53 minutes ago, Pizza on Fire said:

Much to the disdain of the MAGA-loving, Arab-hating crowd of this forum, Jiddah will be the start and finish of the upcoming Dakar rally. It is so strange to see that the yachting community suddenly went berserk about "safety" in Jiddah while everybody else that will crisscross the KSA isn't batting an eye!!!

I imagine that every car, truck or motorcycle taking part in the rally will be escorted by an armored Humvee full of marines, an Apache helicopter and a B2 Stealth Bomber just in case the "terrorists" attack…       

https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x85vz5h

And the Dakar is very famous for being one of the safest events... absolutely not.

 

[JALhazmat]

I still find it extraordinary that ETNZ used a homemade AI system in AC35 to develop a hugely superior boat against a team owned and sponsored by one of the biggest software companies in the world. Even Oracle's starting software let them down on several occasions ... shit, I've got a Garmin watch and some freeware on a cheap tablet that leads me to the line perfectly every time*

* the software is bang on, I'm often not

Oracle wasn’t in AC 36. 
 

Dans comments were during 36 not from Bermuda 

 

[pusslicker]

2 hours ago, Pizza on Fire said:

Much to the disdain of the MAGA-loving, Arab-hating crowd of this forum, Jiddah will be the start and finish of the upcoming Dakar rally. It is so strange to see that the yachting community suddenly went berserk about "safety" in Jiddah while everybody else that will crisscross the KSA isn't batting an eye!!!

I imagine that every car, truck or motorcycle taking part in the rally will be escorted by an armored Humvee full of marines, an Apache helicopter and a B2 Stealth Bomber just in case the "terrorists" attack…       

https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x85vz5h

I don't think safety is the issue. Having a western event in a brutal dictatorship that treats women like possessions is more of what it's about. Aren't Arabs the same race as most of us anyway? Can you be racist toward your own race?

 

[Forourselves]

I don't think safety is the issue. Having a western event in a brutal dictatorship that treats women like possessions is more of what it's about. Aren't Arabs the same race as most of us anyway? Can you be racist toward your own race?

If it’s so “brutal” why aren’t western governments doing something about it?

 

[Forourselves]

Don't try that anti-Arab crap again. Most of us are not opposed to KSA as a venue because we are MAGA-loving (hardly likely for those of that are European) or because we are racist and hate Arabs or because of safety fears.

We dislike KSA because of its appalling human rights record, including its own appalling racist treatment of immigrants from south Asia.

You deny being a KSA shill but you sure as hell try and twist the reasons for our opposition like one. 

Many countries have appalling human rights track records. Yet they still host sporting events. China, Russia, the US. 

 

[shebeen]

3 hours ago, Pizza on Fire said:

Much to the disdain of the MAGA-loving, Arab-hating crowd of this forum, Jiddah will be the start and finish of the upcoming Dakar rally. It is so strange to see that the yachting community suddenly went berserk about "safety" in Jiddah while everybody else that will crisscross the KSA isn't batting an eye!!!

I imagine that every car, truck or motorcycle taking part in the rally will be escorted by an armored Humvee full of marines, an Apache helicopter and a B2 Stealth Bomber just in case the "terrorists" attack…       

https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x85vz5h

yes and no.

in sporting terms this is a long event, ~3 weeks, but still nothing compared to AC.

if the dakar race drivers had to move their family there for 2/3 years then it would be a different vibe.

 

[Sea Breeze 74]

Oracle wasn’t in AC 36. 
 

Dans comments were during 36 not from Bermuda 

I thought they used AI to help build their AC50 too? They certainly referred to the "simulator" a lot

 

[JALhazmat]

They did, but the Specific line and relevance about the boat being sailed faster by the Sim than the sailors Came out during 36Came out during 36

 

[Stingray~]

I thought they used AI to help build their AC50 too? They certainly referred to the "simulator" a lot

For Bermuda it was not really a question about if they used the later AI or not, it was more a question of 'how much' sophisticated the onboard software was, with the follow-Herbie's-dot on a tablet setup. A case of the system being more 'taught' than already self-optimized - and it then teaching the sailors what to do while racing. Almost like the sailors having AI

 

[johnstarks]

The simulator Dan and company built/used was gomboc https://sumtozero.com/.  They got an AI module that works with the gomboc software from McKinsey.  McKinsey is a interesting company they got there hands in everything (and not all good).  https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/mckinsey-digital/how-we-help-clients/flying-across-the-sea-propelled-by-ai

 

[rh3000]

I thought they used AI to help build their AC50 too? They certainly referred to the "simulator" a lot

AI != Simulator

 

[pluscount]

Many countries have appalling human rights track records. Yet they still host sporting events. China, Russia, the US. 

I'm here to learn.

For what period of time do you equate the appalling human rights track records of China, Russia, the US?

A.  1776 onward
B.  1865 onward
C.  1914 onward
D.  1941 onward
E.  Custom period of your choice.
 
Help me out here.

 

[Forourselves]

I'm here to learn.

For what period of time do you equate the appalling human rights track records of China, Russia, the US?

A.  1776 onward
B.  1865 onward
C.  1914 onward
D.  1941 onward
E.  Custom period of your choice.
 
Help me out here.

Ask those who bleat about human rights records.

Personally I don’t give a shit about countries and their human rights records.

Im here for sport not politics.

 

[pluscount]

Ask those who bleat about human rights records.

Personally I don’t give a shit about countries and their human rights records.

May I quote you again "Many countries have appalling human rights track records. Yet they still host sporting events. China, Russia, the US."

First you bleat, then you un-bleat?  My bad for being confused.