The AC 37 has started, news and rumours

[baz]

UK boat to be designed and built under the by Mercedes F1 special projects team

Maybe not such a good move for a GB challenge.

Red Bull F1 seem to be seriously on the ascendency so recruiting them might be a good idea?

Suit Jimmy-the-Spit, too

 

[strider470]

And it what way, specifically, do you think the DoG says anything to exclude strider470s modest proposal?

It's a fucking fear, more than a proposal

 

[The Advocate]

You can plan it. Your plan might just not work out. If ETNZ lost at Cowes, they've lost control. They might decide that's OK. I doubt it. A two-team "ACWS" seems a lot more likely than a two-team challenge/defence. Oracle and Team Origin actually did that in the Solent at one point.

Yes I agree with that. So what is the point of planing for a Cup to be back in NZ regardless of outcome? It is a naff supposition. See my point re WC, ACWS is the same thing. You are agreeing with me.

Edit, see, not She

 

[The Advocate]

Bertelli would be pissed of, and the rest of the world too.

Yes, so off to NYSC.

 

[Dave S]

Any Challenger would need to prove to the NYSC that multiple Cups being planned if things are kept away from the public. Very difficult to do.

I don't see why you couldn't be public about it. The 2024 cup wouldn't be "locked in" until after the 2022 cup, but you just need to follow the normal precautions to make sure that the "correct" team submits the first valid challenge, and there's not a lot anyone else can do about it.

I doubt it will happen, but I can't see any reason it wouldn't be possible.

 

[The Advocate]

I don't see why you couldn't be public about it. The 2024 cup wouldn't be "locked in" until after the 2022 cup, but you just need to follow the normal precautions to make sure that the "correct" team submits the first valid challenge, and there's not a lot anyone else can do about it.

I doubt it will happen, but I can't see any reason it wouldn't be possible.

DoG, thats the reason.

 

[strider470]

Should GD and Ratcliffe chose such a road, it will be the beginning of a war that in comparison Bertarelli and Ellison have been good pals.

 

[dg_sailingfan]

I don't see why you couldn't be public about it. The 2024 cup wouldn't be "locked in" until after the 2022 cup, but you just need to follow the normal precautions to make sure that the "correct" team submits the first valid challenge, and there's not a lot anyone else can do about it.

I doubt it will happen, but I can't see any reason it wouldn't be possible.

That is actually well explained!

 

[dg_sailingfan]

Should GD and Ratcliffe chose such a road, it will be the beginning of a war that in comparison Bertarelli and Ellison have been good pals.

Everybody needs to calm down! We don't know anything yet

 

[Flaming]

I don't see why you couldn't be public about it. The 2024 cup wouldn't be "locked in" until after the 2022 cup, but you just need to follow the normal precautions to make sure that the "correct" team submits the first valid challenge, and there's not a lot anyone else can do about it.

I doubt it will happen, but I can't see any reason it wouldn't be possible.

I agree.  It's very similar to the Agreement that all the teams except NZ signed up to before Bermuda really.  Agreeing that the whoever wins the next cup will be in these boats and in this year.  

Not a fan of the 1-off, 1 challenger cup though.  On the off chance that Ineos managed to win it would sour the "first British challenge to win the cup" moment.  

 

[The Advocate]

Should GD and Ratcliffe chose such a road, it will be the beginning of a war that in comparison Bertarelli and Ellison have been good pals.

Keep in mind who is also rumored to be looking at coming back in and how he would see it and his experience with a pure DoG match.

 

[strider470]

Everybody needs to calm down! We don't know anything yet

Yes, it's only speculation of course. This lack of AC sailing will last only 3 years

 

[The Advocate]

Everybody needs to calm down! We don't know anything yet

Who is not calm?

This is SA, we are spit balling.

 

[strider470]

Who is not calm?

This is SA, we are spit balling.

This is the beauty of this place

 

[dogwatch]

Pulse rate 49bpm. Reckon I'm calm enough. For relaxation, I can recommend:

 

[hoom]

DoG, thats the reason.

Specifically:

And when a challenge from a Club fulfilling all the conditions required by this instrument has been received, no other challenge can be considered until the pending event has been decided.

 

[JALhazmat]

POSSIBLE BULLSHIT AHEAD, so don't blame me later.
**** NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, JUST SPECULATION ****

To have your opinion on the matter

Ok, beware, this is fiction, not a rumour. but what if:

UK and NZ decide for a Match very soon, let's say in 1 year, in 2022, in these very boats with minor updates to version 1.5.

Not really a DoG match, but simply one not contemplating a Challenger series in the new mutual agreed protocol. Maybe to be held in UK, if the right bid for the venue is made from Ratcliffe.

In this way, GD can maintain his assets in ETNZ (design and sailing team) and the development of the boat is already there. NZ gains a ton of money from Ratcliffe for this chance and they both plan a subsequent normal AC in NZ (or the UK) 2 years later, in 2024, to maintain the usual scheduling for other subsequent challengers.

In this way, both NZ and the UK will be there with 2.0 boats and an edge compared to other challengers, and GD would have no problems with funding.

Absolutely

Also in the event that Prada remove sponsorship of the challenger series it covers that off neatly.

GDs aim is to keep the team together end of story, IF the 1-1 event against INEOS is the best way to achieve that while giving stability to new syndicates to build towards a return to NZ in 2024 then it would be stupid to turn it down.

 

[strider470]

Absolutely

Also in the event that Prada remove sponsorship of the challenger series it covers that off neatly.

GDs aim is to keep the team together end of story, IF the 1-1 event against INEOS is the best way to achieve that while giving stability to new syndicates to build towards a return to NZ in 2024 then it would be stupid to turn it down.

I think they won't, because that would start a "war" and the AC would never be the same for years to come.

Now think only if Prada and Alinghi would have done such an agreement.

 

[shebeen]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/americas-cup-2021-team-new-zealand-mulling-unprecedented-option-for-next-americas-cup/RQQMUDZR7YQTDJMUN3C4JE4JLA/?fbclid=IwAR0NUWi_J9z0IezSzw0SLSGJyEv_C6X4XVU3ukXTGn0bIjwH7ysvMlS4H1E

If the part about a Cowes AC match between the kiwis and Ineos next year is true, a lot of people will be grumpy, and Ben and Ratcliffe will loose a lot of whatever respect is left for them in the sailing world.

I see this as a low risk option for GD to get some $$$ in for AC38 in 2024

I also see it as a low risk option for JRatcliffe to bring the America's cup back to england (definitely the racing, and maybe even the cup). He wouldn't have a lot of time, but could throw everything at it. 

Ineos team budget AC36 - £110m 

Jim Ratcliffe - $16.9b

 

[The Advocate]

Absolutely

Also in the event that Prada remove sponsorship of the challenger series it covers that off neatly.

GDs aim is to keep the team together end of story, IF the 1-1 event against INEOS is the best way to achieve that while giving stability to new syndicates to build towards a return to NZ in 2024 then it would be stupid to turn it down.

So explain how that works....