The AC 37 has started, news and rumours

[sfigone]

Really? I must have been watching an altogether different regatta.

I think it is a too much to say that it was only bad luck that LR lost....  However,  it was at least plausible that LR could have won it, albeit with a bit of luck.

After the first 3 days, it was 3-3,  but I think with the conditions and race track, if LR had one a few more starts it could easily have been 5-1 (yes that goes both ways).  Then of the racing after that, LR was in with a good chance of winning at least 2 of the races it lost, with just split second decisions making the difference.

Moreover, if COVID had not delayed the start, then TR may have been even less sharp at the start of the regatta.

So while ultimately it was probably a comfortable win, it was probably a lot closer that NZ had expected and they had at least a little bit of a concern.

They didn't win it with luck, but with a touch of bad luck NZ could have lost it.

 

[The Advocate]

They may have a “one off” but it won’t be for the America’s Cup. It’ll be similar to the Moët Cup between Alinghi and Oracle, in which Oracle won.

So why are they using the AC protocol? Why not the champagne Cup protocol?

This is the point though isn't it. This is what gets the hackles up.

If they had of said:

"Hey everyone, the bank of Sir Jim is tossing notes to us for a big party in 2024 here in Auckland and you are all welcome. In the mean time, Sir Jim and us are going to have a bit of a squirt around the Isle for shits and giggles because he wants the Poms to remember what all these shenanigans is about, that will just be the 2 boats but you are all invited to the piss up, drinks are on Sir Jim!"

Then none of us would have an issue.

 

[Sailbydate]

I think it is a too much to say that it was only bad luck that LR lost....  However,  it was at least plausible that LR could have won it, albeit with a bit of luck.

After the first 3 days, it was 3-3,  but I think with the conditions and race track, if LR had one a few more starts it could easily have been 5-1 (yes that goes both ways).  Then of the racing after that, LR was in with a good chance of winning at least 2 of the races it lost, with just split second decisions making the difference.

Moreover, if COVID had not delayed the start, then TR may have been even less sharp at the start of the regatta.

So while ultimately it was probably a comfortable win, it was probably a lot closer that NZ had expected and they had at least a little bit of a concern.

They didn't win it with luck, but with a touch of bad luck NZ could have lost it.

Yeah. That's a bit more like the regatta I was watching. ;-)

 

[Gissie]

 the ROI will be huge for Ineos/Grenadier, and for his ego too.

Be really good for the ego to know that the only way to get your team into a cup final is buy the event and kick all the other challengers out.

Real good for bragging at the billionaires club bar I am sure. :lol:

To be honest, seems Rats is the one pouring a bit of lukewarm water on the subject.

 

[dg_sailingfan]

I don't understand why a multiple challenger AC next year  could not be a possible solution. Yhey have already the best boat, all the logistics is in place. And NZ could greatly benefit of a non covid AC. Unless INEOS is willing  to pay ETNZ a really huge amount of money. This can be the only explanation.

It is absolutely "Inconceivable" to hold a Challenger Selection Series next year unless you want the same Teams who competed in Auckland. New Teams would have no chance making it.

The Protocol for AC37 probably gets published between September and November this year. Then you have to have a proper Entry Period which usually lasts 6 months, say from 1st January 2022 until June 30th 2022. After that any new Teams would need to built their Boat which takes about 7-8 months. The earliest they could have a CSS is in 2023.

 

[Xlot]

On FareVela, an interview with Matteo de Nora, worth translating.

https://farevela.net/2021/03/20/americas-cup-intervista-a-matteo-de-nora-etnz-piu-veloce-e-lidea-di-un-match-a-due-con-ineos-ce/

Certainly not my favorite Italian, typical insufferable Milanese born into money, never worked one day in his life, escaped to NZ (it’s usually Montecarlo) for fear of “communist” expropriation, meaning paying taxes ...

 

[The Advocate]

On FareVela, an interview with Matteo de Nora, worth translating.

https://farevela.net/2021/03/20/americas-cup-intervista-a-matteo-de-nora-etnz-piu-veloce-e-lidea-di-un-match-a-due-con-ineos-ce/

Certainly not my favorite Italian, typical Milanese born into money, never worked one day in his life, escaped to NZ (it’s usually Montecarlo) for fear of “communist” expropriation, meaning paying taxes ...

Piss and wind and smokescreens.

"Taking the Cup back to its origins", romantasised twaddle and bullshit designed to win over the uninformed and portray themselves as the good guys doing the right thing.

 

[Blitzkrieg9]

They may have a “one off” but it won’t be for the America’s Cup. It’ll be similar to the Moët Cup between Alinghi and Oracle, in which Oracle won.

No...  I'm pretty sure ETNZ plans to make it an official Cup match. One more win (and they're guaranteed to win).  Its all shady as fuck. 

 

[Gissie]

On FareVela, an interview with Matteo de Nora, worth translating.

https://farevela.net/2021/03/20/americas-cup-intervista-a-matteo-de-nora-etnz-piu-veloce-e-lidea-di-un-match-a-due-con-ineos-ce/

Certainly not my favorite Italian, typical insufferable Milanese born into money, never worked one day in his life, escaped to NZ (it’s usually Montecarlo) for fear of “communist” expropriation, meaning paying taxes ...

Worked for a couple of brothers from there. Born into money but lost it all when China stomped on the textile industry. Not that you would know from their behaviour. :lol:

 

[Tornado-Cat]

And just in case, TNZ will have the chance to win it straight back in their home waters.

It might cost Jim Rat a few bob, but the ROI will be huge for Ineos/Grenadier, and for his ego too.

Clearly a win win for everybody, except for those here who believe that multiple Challengers is the Holy Grail.

What did you put in your drink ? you sound like Alice in Wonderland. Dalton has a tradition of finishing fighting with his CoR/D. So, after Coutts and Bertelli he will probably end the same way with Ratcliffe. There is a difference however, they may fight as soon as 2022, well before the next AC. And Jim may have longer teeth than the other ones.

Go back to your dreams, well, Alice.

 

[Blitzkrieg9]

I guess if you can't compete with fellow challengers, the easiest way is to write a stonking great cheque to ensure you are the only challenger.

Its a method. 

 

[The Advocate]

What did you put in your drink ? 

 

[Priscilla]

No...  I'm pretty sure ETNZ plans to make it an official Cup match. One more win (and they're guaranteed to win).  Its all shady as fuck. 

Yup an exhibition match really gives little to the Frackers in return for the associated costs.

How they could make significant improvements to the Royal barge to make it competitive against Te Rehutai

 would be of real concern within 12 months for a AC one on one.

 

[jaysper]

Piss and wind and smokescreens.

"Taking the Cup back to its origins", romantasised twaddle and bullshit designed to win over the uninformed and portray themselves as the good guys doing the right thing.

To be fair, if the rumours are true they ARE taking the cup back to its roots.

24 successful defences cos the rules are stacked in their favour.

I wonder if the Italians will be expected to sail their AC 75 from italy to New Zealand?

 

[mako23]

It is absolutely "Inconceivable" to hold a Challenger Selection Series next year unless you want the same Teams who competed in Auckland. New Teams would have no chance making it.

The Protocol for AC37 probably gets published between September and November this year. Then you have to have a proper Entry Period which usually lasts 6 months, say from 1st January 2022 until June 30th 2022. After that any new Teams would need to built their Boat which takes about 7-8 months. The earliest they could have a CSS is in 2023.

This isn’t factoring in designing a boat, so 2023 seems even tighter

 

[mako23]

To be fair, if the rumours are true they ARE taking the cup back to its roots.

24 successful defences cos the rules are stacked in their favour.

I wonder if the Italians will be expected to sail their AC 75 from italy to New Zealand?

No just the Swiss 

 

[jaysper]

Its a method. 

So is the rhythm method.

Catholics have a name for women who use the rhythm method: "mother".

 

[The Advocate]

To be fair, if the rumours are true they ARE taking the cup back to its roots.

24 successful defences cos the rules are stacked in their favour.

I wonder if the Italians will be expected to sail their AC 75 from italy to New Zealand?

Was waiting for it h34r: :lol:

No, that requirement has been removed from the document that cannot be altered. B)

 

[Blitzkrieg9]

So is the rhythm method.

Catholics have a name for women who use the rhythm method: "mother".

I never said it was a GOOD method... 

 

[mako23]

So while ultimately it was probably a comfortable win, it was probably a lot closer that NZ had expected and they had at least a little bit of a concern.

They didn't win it with luck, but with a touch of bad luck NZ could have lost it.

I was was worried when it was 3 wins a piece, it was a lot more stressful than the previous cup.