The AC 37 has started, news and rumours

Priscilla

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kiwin said:
Just not true. Most of that went to "infrastructure". $100 million went to remediation of the toxic tank farm, which Auckland council were on the hook for anyway. Propaganda.
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You’re in fantasy land with that $100m assumption.

The Tank Farm has not been remediated and remains a toxic wasteland.

The areas occupied for the AC 36 once the tanks were removed were simply covered with asphalt and handed over to Amway the Frackers and the Race Committee.

My comment is that the $250m spent was to assist by way of infrastructure including the syndicate base for TNZ plus race event costs and most probably a direct cash injection to the TNZ coffers post Bermuda.

In reality the infrastructure legacy for Auckland City amounts to some pontoons a couple of breakwaters and the Handbags platform along with some stormwater upgrades that link to unrelated projects.

All other works that include the remediation of the Quay St sea wall the ferry wharf upgrade etc sit outside the $250 million.

 
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Tornado-Cat said:
My take is that Dalton was willing to organize next AC in 3 or 4 years, Jimmy wants a race around the isle of Wight next year and will compensate Dalt with some pesos who needs it.

Impossible to organize a CSS as they  would get only the present teams with a boat and exclude new potential teams. So they need to organize AC 37 with the present boats that will be modified with a new rule. If they are only two teams, the kiwis and the brits, both teams already agree to race the AC75 in AC38, nobody can prevent that, the AC is ligit and whoever wins will choose the AC75. So AC38 should be in Auckland whoever wins but Dalton will try to monetize his acceptation of Auckland agains more pesos.
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You got it, mate!

Some of us have been saying essentially that barely 24 hours after the acceptance of the challenge was announced.  

Look at the situation in that light and it is a win-win for Ratcliffe and Dalton. The Britt gets his Cup match in Cowes next year (number of races still to be decided), then four years from now they meet again in Auckland with CSS to welcome all legit comers. None of that precluded by DoG conditions and just to be sure, six to eight months to iron out any legal tangles that threaten to interfere.

Brits and Kiwis get to compete in two challenges in four or five years and we get to watch.   Other Cup hopefuls still get to take part in normal CSS timeframe.

 
Forourselves

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Blitzkrieg9 said:
No...  I'm pretty sure ETNZ plans to make it an official Cup match. One more win (and they're guaranteed to win).  Its all shady as fuck. 
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Nah, its too big of a risk. They'll lose prospective teams by doing that. Ratcliffe has already said he wants encourage more teams, not exclude them. A one on one DoG match goes against everything both teams have been wanting to do. I can't see this happening. The DoG match provisions exists (or is supposed to exist) in the case of teams who cannot establish mutual consent. This is too big of a risk for ETNZ, and they stand to gain nothing by doing it. Dalton may not be the most likeable man in the game, but he's definitely not stupid. The Cup will be held in NZ. 

 
jaysper

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KiwiJoker said:
You got it, mate!

Some of us have been saying essentially that barely 24 hours after the acceptance of the challenge was announced.  

Look at the situation in that light and it is a win-win for Ratcliffe and Dalton. The Britt gets his Cup match in Cowes next year (number of races still to be decided), then four years from now they meet again in Auckland with CSS to welcome all legit comers. None of that precluded by DoG conditions and just to be sure, six to eight months to iron out any legal tangles that threaten to interfere.

Brits and Kiwis get to compete in two challenges in four or five years and we get to watch.   Other Cup hopefuls still get to take part in normal CSS timeframe.
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But this is still sewing up the AC for 2 cycles, when you have only won it once.

 
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Forourselves said:
Nah, its too big of a risk. They'll lose prospective teams by doing that. Ratcliffe has already said he wants encourage more teams, not exclude them. A one on one DoG match goes against everything both teams have been wanting to do. I can't see this happening. The DoG match provisions exists (or is supposed to exist) in the case of teams who cannot establish mutual consent. This is too big of a risk for ETNZ, and they stand to gain nothing by doing it. Dalton may not be the most likeable man in the game, but he's definitely not stupid. The Cup will be held in NZ. 
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But it won't be a DoG match. It will be a MC AC match limited to COR/D.  Then followed up by a proper AC match with CSS 3 years later. They will both be official AC matches. ETNZ will get a "free win" to add to the record book. 

 
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KiwiJoker said:
You got it, mate!

Some of us have been saying essentially that barely 24 hours after the acceptance of the challenge was announced.  

Look at the situation in that light and it is a win-win for Ratcliffe and Dalton. The Britt gets his Cup match in Cowes next year (number of races still to be decided), then four years from now they meet again in Auckland with CSS to welcome all legit comers. None of that precluded by DoG conditions and just to be sure, six to eight months to iron out any legal tangles that threaten to interfere.

Brits and Kiwis get to compete in two challenges in four or five years and we get to watch.   Other Cup hopefuls still get to take part in normal CSS timeframe.
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Its not a win win though. Its a huge win for Ratcliffe, and a potentially huge loss for Dalton. If they don't host the Cup in NZ, the NZ Government and ACC will simply tell them not to come back.

If they go overseas, they may win the Cup, but they'll essentially be homeless. 

 
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Priscilla said:
You’re in fantasy land with that $100m assumption.

The Tank Farm has not been remediated and remains a toxic wasteland.

The areas occupied for the AC 36 once the tanks were removed were simply covered with asphalt and handed over to Amway the Frackers and the Race Committee.

My comment is that the $250m spent was to assist by way of infrastructure including the syndicate base for TNZ plus race event costs and most probably a direct cash injection to the TNZ coffers post Bermuda.

In reality the infrastructure legacy for Auckland City amounts to some pontoons a couple of breakwaters and the Handbags platform along with some stormwater upgrades that link to unrelated projects.

All other works that include the remediation of the Quay St sea wall the ferry wharf upgrade etc sit outside the $250 million.
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My understanding is that much of the ground under the tanks was full of toxic waste and so that had to be remediated at a high cost. That cost was most definitely included.

The works done by the council were not what ETNZ, or the marine community wanted. The plan from ETNZ would have cost slightly more but resulted in 50 % more retained infrastructure in the form of Super yacht facilities, of which Auckland is very short. Instead the council sought to load up cost for which they were liable onto the America's Cup bill, despite a lesser return. There was also a threat of legal action against the council by some very wealthy property developers if they didn't get their own way which definitely influenced the council. In short the council discharged some of their cost & billed it to the America's Cup, despite that diminishing the infrastructure return, and also avoided action from some wealthy bully boys.

 
jaysper

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Forourselves said:
Its not a win win though. Its a huge win for Ratcliffe, and a potentially huge loss for Dalton. If they don't host the Cup in NZ, the NZ Government and ACC will simply tell them not to come back.

If they go overseas, they may win the Cup, but they'll essentially be homeless. 
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And quite frankly good riddance if they do.

 
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The Advocate said:
I disagree. It will be DoG Match in that there are only the 378's there and the mutual consent is the class, venue and format. I don't think 2 paties agreeing to things makes it a MC Cup. Could be arse up on that though.
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Nope, definitely not a DoG match.

DoG match is where the challenger presents the challenge and the defenders stipulate the venue.

Everything else including the boat, course, number of races is taken straight from the DoG.

This is mutual consent where the challenger and defender have had a massive circle jerk months in advance to agree on venue, date, boat and presumably financial compensation.

But the real kicker is that they SEEM to have reached mutual consent for the cup after that.

 
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