The Debt Ceiling is Scarier This Time

pusslicker

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The usual douchebag suspects. I wish they would do all this show negotiating during budget appropriations and not after they have spent it. These are the same cunts that have put us in debt and after letting your boy Trump spend like a drunken sailor and add 7.8 trillion to the debt in 4 years they are suddenly fiscally conservative? It's hard enough to invest in a boom or bust country without Republicans adding in chaos.
 

Dog 2.0

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The usual douchebag suspects. I wish they would do all this show negotiating during budget appropriations and not after they have spent it. These are the same cunts that have put us in debt and after letting your boy Trump spend like a drunken sailor and add 7.8 trillion to the debt in 4 years they are suddenly fiscally conservative? It's hard enough to invest in a boom or bust country without Republicans adding in chaos.
Did you watch it?
 

Raz'r

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The usual douchebag suspects. I wish they would do all this show negotiating during budget appropriations and not after they have spent it. These are the same cunts that have put us in debt and after letting your boy Trump spend like a drunken sailor and add 7.8 trillion to the debt in 4 years they are suddenly fiscally conservative? It's hard enough to invest in a boom or bust country without Republicans adding in chaos.
Hey, I’m a drunken sailor and I pay my bills.
 

pusslicker

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That's what I thought.
Give me a quick synopsis. Some of us have to work and not shit post all day and these aren't serious politicians. When the debt ceiling is raised and they want to raise taxes, cut the military along with the things they want to cut I will start listening.
 

d'ranger

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The budget is for things in the future. The debt ceiling is to pay for things already approved and monies spent.

That Dog don't hunt.
 

hasher

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Did you watch it?
Who negotiates over the debt ceiling?

It's like finishing your meal and then telling the manager you'd like to negotiate the price.

It is like promising your mommy you're going to hold your breath untill you get your way.

It is like holding all the innocents at gun point because you need some respect.
 

Steam Flyer

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Who negotiates over the debt ceiling?

It's like finishing your meal and then telling the manager you'd like to negotiate the price.

It is like promising your mommy you're going to hold your breath untill you get your way.

It is like holding all the innocents at gun point because you need some respect.

It's like stiffing the subcontractors who built your hotel.
 

Dog 2.0

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Who negotiates over the debt ceiling?

It's like finishing your meal and then telling the manager you'd like to negotiate the price.

It is like promising your mommy you're going to hold your breath untill you get your way.

It is like holding all the innocents at gun point because you need some respect.
We do.
 

veni vidi vici

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What debt ceiling?????
What Constitutional mandated annual budget
The Coup is Complete
 

Sol Rosenberg

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Those 20 or so MAGA nuts have total control of the House right now and will have it forever ever and ever…

until a handful of normal people in the R caucus realize that they can control every vote if they agree to work in a bipartisan fashion with the enemy democRATS.
 

veni vidi vici

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Those 20 or so MAGA nuts have total control of the House right now and will have it forever ever and ever…

until a handful of normal people in the R caucus realize that they can control every vote if they agree to work in a bipartisan fashion with the enemy democRATS.
If you think that the fiscal mess is partisan you are a special kind of loinfomofo’z
 

Ishmael

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Those 20 or so MAGA nuts have total control of the House right now and will have it forever ever and ever…

until a handful of normal people in the R caucus realize that they can control every vote if they agree to work in a bipartisan fashion with the enemy democRATS.
Susan Collins thinks the extremists have learned their lesson so she'll continue to vote with them.
 

hasher

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Susan Collins thinks the extremists have learned their lesson so she'll continue to vote with them.
Will you raise the baby for me? It was an indiscretion and she doesn't have my name. At least there will be one more lost child wandering around. God forbid that life is about people rather than abstractions.
 

badlatitude

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Hakeem Jeffries laid out the Democrats' pitch to retake the House in 2024. It's a killer.​

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ouse-was-the-worst-thing-ever-for-Republicans

When House Democrats' newly elected Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries of New York sat down with Pod Save America this week to discuss his party’s approach to being in the minority, one thing became pointedly clear: House Republicans are already laying the groundwork for a Democratic takeover in 2024.

House Republicans—replete with juvenile, self-consumed bomb-throwers—are just wholly unequipped to lead the country in any “reasonable” fashion that can benefit the American people. But Jeffries’ reflections on trying to govern alongside a party full of nihilists was perhaps more telling about campaigning in 2024 than legislating in 2023. First and foremost, Republicans are extreme. They’re also a threat to America as we know it. Locating just five sane and sober House Republicans is the key to averting disaster, but even that’s a tall order. Finally, Democrats are committed to protecting Social Security and Medicare—programs that Americans have paid into and deserve.

Here’s a brief overview of themes Jeffries hit that are also sure to show up on the campaign trail next year:

1. Social Security and Medicare are non-negotiable for Democrats

Jeffries: “The first issue that's going to be in front of us is to make sure we don't default on our nation's debt for the first time in American history. ... There are Republicans that want to essentially hijack that debt ceiling issue in order to extract painful cuts to Social Security and Medicare—we're going to draw a line in the sand. Social Security's not negotiable. Medicare's not negotiable. And we are not going to negotiate with hostage takers.”

2. Every single Democrat wants to avert a global economic meltdown; all they need is five reasonable Republicans to join them

Jeffries: “I think the most important thing should be done is Kevin McCarthy should just bring a straight, clean debt ceiling bill to the floor of the House of Representatives, confident that every single member of the House Democratic caucus vote would support it. But we would need five, six—a handful—of reasonable Republicans to do what has been consistently been done for approximately 100 years on the debt ceiling issue.”

3. Americans have earned Social Security and Medicare

Jeffries: “I think the most important thing is that the American people have earned Social Security and Medicare, paid into it their entire lives, worked to get to a point where they can retire with grace and dignity, and there's just no circumstance where we should be even having a discussion, particularly as it relates to the full faith and credit of the United States of America.”

4. McCarthy's a lying liar and a squish, which might be the nation’s only hope

Jeffries (responding to McCarthy’s pledge to hold the debt ceiling hostage in exchange for making budget cuts): “Kevin McCarthy says a lot of things and then does something else. So the reality is, on this issue perhaps, the business community has consistently weighed in and suggested that a default on our debt would be catastrophic, highly problematic, unprecedented, and could collapse the economy, send it into a tail spin, a deep recession if not worse—not just the U.S. economy but across the world.

My suggestion is, he's not going to necessarily do the right thing as it relates to preserving Social Security and Medicare. But there are other reasons why people come to a conclusion and, in this instance, the business community can prevail upon my friends on the other side of the aisle.”

5. Republicans are extremists

Jeffries: “We've been very clear on a variety of issues: We believe in a woman's freedom to make her own reproductive health care decisions. They're extreme on abortion care—they want to criminalize abortion, impose a nationwide ban.

We believe in Social Security and Medicare—they're extreme on it. They want to blow it up

We believe in democracy—apparently many of them don't. They coddle insurrectionists, perpetrate the Big Lie.

The reality is, in my view what best captures the moment that we're in is a level of extremism that the vast majority of the American people are not comfortable with. And our job moving forward is to continue to contrast that with who we are as Democrats—people who are committed actually to making a difference in the lives of everyday Americans on issue after issue after issue.”

6. Again, all it would take is a handful of reasonable Republicans

Jeffries: “At the end of the day, the reality is we can either figure out a way on issues like the debt ceiling, on government spending, avoiding a shutdown, the farm bill, reauthorizing the FAA—these are things that we have to do this term. And we've got to find a way to find a reasonable group of Republicans interested in governing, not burning down the house, so that we an advance the ball for the American people.”

 

veni vidi vici

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Hakeem Jeffries laid out the Democrats' pitch to retake the House in 2024. It's a killer.​

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ouse-was-the-worst-thing-ever-for-Republicans

When House Democrats' newly elected Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries of New York sat down with Pod Save America this week to discuss his party’s approach to being in the minority, one thing became pointedly clear: House Republicans are already laying the groundwork for a Democratic takeover in 2024.

House Republicans—replete with juvenile, self-consumed bomb-throwers—are just wholly unequipped to lead the country in any “reasonable” fashion that can benefit the American people. But Jeffries’ reflections on trying to govern alongside a party full of nihilists was perhaps more telling about campaigning in 2024 than legislating in 2023. First and foremost, Republicans are extreme. They’re also a threat to America as we know it. Locating just five sane and sober House Republicans is the key to averting disaster, but even that’s a tall order. Finally, Democrats are committed to protecting Social Security and Medicare—programs that Americans have paid into and deserve.

Here’s a brief overview of themes Jeffries hit that are also sure to show up on the campaign trail next year:

1. Social Security and Medicare are non-negotiable for Democrats

Jeffries: “The first issue that's going to be in front of us is to make sure we don't default on our nation's debt for the first time in American history. ... There are Republicans that want to essentially hijack that debt ceiling issue in order to extract painful cuts to Social Security and Medicare—we're going to draw a line in the sand. Social Security's not negotiable. Medicare's not negotiable. And we are not going to negotiate with hostage takers.”

2. Every single Democrat wants to avert a global economic meltdown; all they need is five reasonable Republicans to join them

Jeffries: “I think the most important thing should be done is Kevin McCarthy should just bring a straight, clean debt ceiling bill to the floor of the House of Representatives, confident that every single member of the House Democratic caucus vote would support it. But we would need five, six—a handful—of reasonable Republicans to do what has been consistently been done for approximately 100 years on the debt ceiling issue.”

3. Americans have earned Social Security and Medicare

Jeffries: “I think the most important thing is that the American people have earned Social Security and Medicare, paid into it their entire lives, worked to get to a point where they can retire with grace and dignity, and there's just no circumstance where we should be even having a discussion, particularly as it relates to the full faith and credit of the United States of America.”

4. McCarthy's a lying liar and a squish, which might be the nation’s only hope

Jeffries (responding to McCarthy’s pledge to hold the debt ceiling hostage in exchange for making budget cuts): “Kevin McCarthy says a lot of things and then does something else. So the reality is, on this issue perhaps, the business community has consistently weighed in and suggested that a default on our debt would be catastrophic, highly problematic, unprecedented, and could collapse the economy, send it into a tail spin, a deep recession if not worse—not just the U.S. economy but across the world.

My suggestion is, he's not going to necessarily do the right thing as it relates to preserving Social Security and Medicare. But there are other reasons why people come to a conclusion and, in this instance, the business community can prevail upon my friends on the other side of the aisle.”

5. Republicans are extremists

Jeffries: “We've been very clear on a variety of issues: We believe in a woman's freedom to make her own reproductive health care decisions. They're extreme on abortion care—they want to criminalize abortion, impose a nationwide ban.

We believe in Social Security and Medicare—they're extreme on it. They want to blow it up

We believe in democracy—apparently many of them don't. They coddle insurrectionists, perpetrate the Big Lie.

The reality is, in my view what best captures the moment that we're in is a level of extremism that the vast majority of the American people are not comfortable with. And our job moving forward is to continue to contrast that with who we are as Democrats—people who are committed actually to making a difference in the lives of everyday Americans on issue after issue after issue.”

6. Again, all it would take is a handful of reasonable Republicans

Jeffries: “At the end of the day, the reality is we can either figure out a way on issues like the debt ceiling, on government spending, avoiding a shutdown, the farm bill, reauthorizing the FAA—these are things that we have to do this term. And we've got to find a way to find a reasonable group of Republicans interested in governing, not burning down the house, so that we an advance the ball for the American people.”


Hakem Jefferies is a American hating subversive
 


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