The "Good Guy with a gun" myth

[WhoaTed]

Would you rather the good samaritan have not been there?

I’d rather the guns hadn’t been there. But “too late for that” is now the argument of gunnerz and their elk who put us in this predicament over the years. It’s exceedingly simple: the gun nuts and legislators on the NRA dole own this, no one else. It’s on THEM and them alone. Thanks for all the injuries, death, and sorrow. Fuck all the way off.

 

[Lark]

We've had hundreds of mass shootings, its a statistical probability eventually a bystander will get around to shooting one of the bad guys. We've had bad guys disarmed by geriatric ethnic Koreans. We've had bad guys shot by cops. We've had bad guys shoot themselves. When an event happens enough, all outcomes become probable.

I fear my 'critical mass chain reaction' theory will be demonstrated soon. Good guys with guns try to intervene against a bad guy with a gun in an area of limited visibility (shopping center with multiple aisles for example). If there is enough adrenalin increasing events (blood on the floor, people screaming, people running, loud bangs) and enough people with guns, its inevitable people with guns will start indiscriminately shooting at other people with guns. There was at least one shooting where a cop saw a good guy with a gun pointed at the bad guy who had a gun and shot him. This happened despite bystanders telling the cop he was about to shoot a security guard. Some cops even have training on identifying targets based on criteria other then skin color, yet it still happened.

Edit. Zonker's post is top shelf. Unarmed bystanders three times more likely to end a mass shooting then armed bystanders. I did some quick math though. Armed mass murderers are significantly more dangerous then unarmed mass murderers. I believe this is due to government regulation of strategic bombers and their ammunition.

 

[Steam Flyer]

I’d rather the guns hadn’t been there. But “too late for that” is now the argument of gunnerz and their elk who put us in this predicament over the years. It’s exceedingly simple: the gun nuts and legislators on the NRA dole own this, no one else. It’s on THEM and them alone. Thanks for all the injuries, death, and sorrow. Fuck all the way off.

Yep.
We have too many gunz, and because we have too many gunz, there's no point in trying to reduce them. It makes sense to ammosexual RWNJ morons.

Just watched a news segment about the new chief of BATF, talking about what he plans to do (improve data, streamline access to best practices ed/training for LEO). In the current legal framework, there isn't much that CAN be done. Gun sellers are bitching about restrictions not only on sales but on advertising. Seems to me if we can restrict the advertising of cigarettes and drugs, why not gunz? Of course, the SCOTUS stands ready to strike down these restrictions in the name of making life worse for Americans but better for corporations.

 

[fishingbobber]

Sure, but the key difference is in the word 'accidents' - none of those products are intentionally designed to kill...

Guns, cars, chainsaws are not designed to murder but can be used to do so. I bought a gun to prevent my own murder. Me not getting a gun will no more prevent a mass killer from using a gun than me not buying a car will prevent a drunk driver from killing someone.... The other day I was lying down in my bed practicing dry firing my gun, and I asked my gun about its connection to mass killings. I figured it must have some connection, maybe when I leave it alone. I mean I thought that it was always alone except for me.
It chose to be mute.

 

[Danceswithoctopus]

The other day I was lying down in my bed practicing dry firing my gun . . .

Please. Stop.

 

[Steam Flyer]

The other day I was lying down in my bed practicing dry firing my gun . . .

Please. Stop.

His mom said he could keep doing until he just needs glasses

 

[Fakenews]

Guns, cars, chainsaws are not designed to murder but can be used to do so. I bought a gun to prevent my own murder. Me not getting a gun will no more prevent a mass killer from using a gun than me not buying a car will prevent a drunk driver from killing someone.... The other day I was lying down in my bed practicing dry firing my gun, and I asked my gun about its connection to mass killings. I figured it must have some connection, maybe when I leave it alone. I mean I thought that it was always alone except for me.
It chose to be mute.

In related news Private Pyle also spoke to his gun.

 

[Bus Driver]

Sounds like our friend bobber was laying in bed with his weapon in one hand, and his dick between thumb and index finger.

Both give him pleasure.

 

[Keith]

Guns, cars, chainsaws are not designed to murder but can be used to do so. I bought a gun to prevent my own murder. Me not getting a gun will no more prevent a mass killer from using a gun than me not buying a car will prevent a drunk driver from killing someone.... The other day I was lying down in my bed practicing dry firing my gun, and I asked my gun about its connection to mass killings. I figured it must have some connection, maybe when I leave it alone. I mean I thought that it was always alone except for me.
It chose to be mute.

Yup, Your in the club,

and you'll need these as well.

 

[Stingray~]

Guns, cars, chainsaws are not designed to murder but can be used to do so. I bought a gun to prevent my own murder. Me not getting a gun will no more prevent a mass killer from using a gun than me not buying a car will prevent a drunk driver from killing someone.... The other day I was lying down in my bed practicing dry firing my gun, and I asked my gun about its connection to mass killings. I figured it must have some connection, maybe when I leave it alone. I mean I thought that it was always alone except for me.
It chose to be mute.

Please seek help? Yikes

 

[Danceswithoctopus]

Sounds like our friend bobber was laying in bed with his weapon in one hand, and his dick between thumb and index finger.

Both give him pleasure.

Pretty sure he said, "gun".

He certainly isn't a graduate of one of our fine, fine boot camps.

 

[Burning Man]

Gun sellers are bitching about restrictions not only on sales but on advertising. Seems to me if we can restrict the advertising of cigarettes and drugs, why not gunz? Of course, the SCOTUS stands ready to strike down these restrictions in the name of making life worse for Americans but better for corporations.

I personally think that we should be able to restrict advertising of and glorification of gunz in the media just like we do cigs and booze. I'm ok with that.

 

[3to1]

here's what that fkg 'hero' muppet who killed that psycho, and the gun he was hiding in his shorts are (for some odd reason); cold 'comfort', very cold.
one doesn't need sharp powers of deduction to know that situation at the trough I mean mall could have gone a thousand different ways, but it happened to go this way. such is the nature of a dumbed-down and violent society.

yeah, too many stinking gunz.

the biden administration needs to declare that long overdue climate emergency, now.

 

[3to1]

Guns, cars, chainsaws are not designed to murder but can be used agnhndghjdfghsetyjduj....

but damn, how sharp is this mf,er, though...

 

[fishingbobber]

I thought some would like more particular info which I copied and pasted from a local new station. It seems like the good samaritan started firing 15 seconds after the shooter started firing. He shot from 40-50 yards away and hit the shooter 8 out of ten times with a Glock 9mm which has a shitty trigger. The shooter fired 24 rds , probably in that 15 seconds, so he was really working that trigger, unless he was firing back at the good samaritan. I don't think so bc it was said he was hit on the first round. .... from
Author: WTHR.com staff
Published: 6:46 PM EDT July 17, 2022
Updated: 11:34 PM EDT July 19, 2022
Police said the shooter fired 24 rounds during the shooting. People inside the mall at the time of the shooting told 13News reporter Logan

Armed bystander hailed as hero​

Greenwood PD said a review of surveillance video shows the suspect began firing at 5:56:48.
At 5:57:03 p.m., Elisjsha Dicken, an armed bystander, fired on the shooter from 40 yards away, according to police. Within 15 seconds from when the shooting began, Dicken fired 10 rounds hitting the shooter as the shooter tried to retreat into the bathroom but collapsed and died.

An autopsy found the shooter was shot eight times and none were self-inflicted.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

I personally think that we should be able to restrict advertising of and glorification of gunz in the media just like we do cigs and booze. I'm ok with that.

Restricting glorification sounds interesting. Also sounds like censorship and a dumb idea, not least because you're not just talking about dumb prohibition efforts by the nanny state against products people use for pleasure. You're talking about it for constitutionally protected products and saying they should have the same status. They shouldn't.

 

[Mark_K]

I thought some would like more particular info which I copied and pasted from a local new station. It seems like the good samaritan started firing 15 seconds after the shooter started firing. He shot from 40-50 yards away and hit the shooter 8 out of ten times with a Glock 9mm which has a shitty trigger. The shooter fired 24 rds , probably in that 15 seconds, so he was really working that trigger, unless he was firing back at the good samaritan. I don't think so bc it was said he was hit on the first round. .... from
Author: WTHR.com staff
Published: 6:46 PM EDT July 17, 2022
Updated: 11:34 PM EDT July 19, 2022
Police said the shooter fired 24 rounds during the shooting. People inside the mall at the time of the shooting told 13News reporter Logan

Armed bystander hailed as hero​

Greenwood PD said a review of surveillance video shows the suspect began firing at 5:56:48.
At 5:57:03 p.m., Elisjsha Dicken, an armed bystander, fired on the shooter from 40 yards away, according to police. Within 15 seconds from when the shooting began, Dicken fired 10 rounds hitting the shooter as the shooter tried to retreat into the bathroom but collapsed and died.

An autopsy found the shooter was shot eight times and none were self-inflicted.

Damn good shooting.

This guy? Not so much...

Texas grand jury declines to indict man accused of killing 9-year-old girl while shooting at armed robber - KTVZ

By Rebekah Riess, CNN A grand jury in Harris County, Texas, on Tuesday declined to indict a man who allegedly killed 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez while shooting at an armed robber in February, Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said. “I just want to tell the family how saddened we are,” Ogg...

ktvz.com

Texas grand jury declines to indict man accused of killing 9-year-old girl while shooting at armed robber.

The killing happened February 14 at about 9:30 p.m. when Tony Earls and his wife drove to a drive-thru ATM to deposit some cash and a check, according to the district attorney’s office. A man then ran up and put a gun in the wife’s face and demanded their money, car keys and her wallet, the prosecutor’s office said.

The couple initially complied with the robber, handing over the check, cash and wallet, before the robber started to run away, the office said. Earls, who stepped out of the vehicle, said he heard gunshots and believed he was being shot at, so he shot at the robber, the office said.

However, he ended up striking a truck that happened to be driving by at the same time, killing 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez in the backseat, the district attorney’s office said.

 

[basketcase]

Damn good shooting.

This guy? Not so much...

Texas grand jury declines to indict man accused of killing 9-year-old girl while shooting at armed robber - KTVZ

By Rebekah Riess, CNN A grand jury in Harris County, Texas, on Tuesday declined to indict a man who allegedly killed 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez while shooting at an armed robber in February, Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said. “I just want to tell the family how saddened we are,” Ogg...

ktvz.com

Texas grand jury declines to indict man accused of killing 9-year-old girl while shooting at armed robber.

The killing happened February 14 at about 9:30 p.m. when Tony Earls and his wife drove to a drive-thru ATM to deposit some cash and a check, according to the district attorney’s office. A man then ran up and put a gun in the wife’s face and demanded their money, car keys and her wallet, the prosecutor’s office said.

The couple initially complied with the robber, handing over the check, cash and wallet, before the robber started to run away, the office said. Earls, who stepped out of the vehicle, said he heard gunshots and believed he was being shot at, so he shot at the robber, the office said.

However, he ended up striking a truck that happened to be driving by at the same time, killing 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez in the backseat, the district attorney’s office said.

Fucking texas.

 

[Steam Flyer]

Damn good shooting.

This guy? Not so much...

Texas grand jury declines to indict man accused of killing 9-year-old girl while shooting at armed robber - KTVZ

By Rebekah Riess, CNN A grand jury in Harris County, Texas, on Tuesday declined to indict a man who allegedly killed 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez while shooting at an armed robber in February, Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said. “I just want to tell the family how saddened we are,” Ogg...

ktvz.com

Texas grand jury declines to indict man accused of killing 9-year-old girl while shooting at armed robber.

The killing happened February 14 at about 9:30 p.m. when Tony Earls and his wife drove to a drive-thru ATM to deposit some cash and a check, according to the district attorney’s office. A man then ran up and put a gun in the wife’s face and demanded their money, car keys and her wallet, the prosecutor’s office said.

The couple initially complied with the robber, handing over the check, cash and wallet, before the robber started to run away, the office said. Earls, who stepped out of the vehicle, said he heard gunshots and believed he was being shot at, so he shot at the robber, the office said.

However, he ended up striking a truck that happened to be driving by at the same time, killing 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez in the backseat, the district attorney’s office said.

Well, that's the way it is in Rittenhouse's America. You not only have the right to shoot at robbers... or guys that you think are robbers... if you just happen to blow away an unlucky 9 year old girl who just happened to be riding by, no harm no foul, right?

What, you want to live in a place where good guys with guns can't ply their trade??

 

[Lark]

I wonder if a Spanish name influenced the grand jury. I assume the little girl’s family can still look for civil redress, even if ‘stand your ground’ and an active imagination allow Wild Tony to shoot into traffic.