The GOP - Let's Burn this bitch down!

[Bus Driver]

The N in NGS stands for Naive the G for Gullible. still working on the S.

Sycophant?

The B in Bus Driver is for Born Loser. Enjoying your meltdown.

I'm curious about what I've typed that would lead you to the (erroneous) conclusion I am suffering a meltdown.

Surely you can provide examples.

 

[SloopJonB]

The GOP has been and will continue to be the party for the elite. One Billionaire at the top of the ticket isn't going to change that. At least the GOP has always been open and honest about who they represent. The democRATS lost because they tried to hide the fact that they were bought off by roughly the same people. The GOP won't be burning anything down. It will be the same orgy of unpaid-for tax cuts for the Best Americans, combined with some tremendous spending projects.

FIFY

 

[Bus Driver]

Just today, NPR was opining that a large part of the reason that Trump gained so much traction with the blue collar working class is that the Dem party pays lip service to them and is instead even more elitist than the GOP.

What's your definition of elite? The dems are the party of the educated urban/suburban professional class. Upper middle class values - they may be worth millions but they still pick up the kid from school, ie the coast tech worker class.

the GOP stil has rich upper crust power brokers and plenty of them, but it's also the party of the rural areas, exurbs and the rust belt. those areas are poor and poorly educated usually.

that's broad generalities with lots of crossover. I'd be surprised if the Midwest stays blue much longer though.

I gotta agree.

I have a few friends with whom I stay in close contact who are staunch Republicans. With the exception of one, they are toward the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum and are angry. Lifelong dues-paying union members who saw their livelihood disappear, they switched from Dem to Repub. To a person, they are convinced the GOP will enrich them. I mean enrich. They talk of handouts to "lazy" and "shiftless" takers. Implicit in their comments are that these people are melanin-enhanced. They truly believe if we abolish social safety nets, the amount they pay in taxes for these programs would remain in their pockets and they would suddenly move up a few rungs of the economic ladder.

When shown the actual amount of their money going to those programs, they remain steadfast in their denial. Also, they refuse to see the idea that blacks are doing all the taking as being erroneous. THAT is a masterful job at controlling the beliefs of folks who want to be told who is responsible for why they aren't rich.

 

[Spatial Ed]

Ayup. I've heard people on federal financial aid for school, complain about school loans. People on medicaid complain about Obamacare. Social Security recipients bitching about government handouts. All of them Republicans. Which is fine, but you can't balance paying for those services, lowering taxes, and lowering the debt. It doesn't work, so something will have to give.

As for burning the GOP down - the Conservatives are in the wilderness right now. It's Trumpist/Populist wing that's in ascendancy. Not sure that's a change worth cheering.

Don't forget, Trump is gonna triple the size of the military.

 

[Gouvernail]

There are lots of jobs in building weapons and uniforms.

However, the military spending does nothing for our balance of trade ...,

Unless we sell arms to others so they can better resist us

 

[Spatial Ed]

There are lots of jobs in building weapons and uniforms.

However, the military spending does nothing for our balance of trade ...,

Unless we sell arms to others so they can better resist us

Chances are, Trump will outsource the uniform manufacturing to China. He has contacts there.

 

[Mark K]

The GOP has been and will continue to be the party for the elite. One guy at the top of the ticket isn't going to change that. At least the GOP has always been open and honest about who they represent. The democRATS lost because they tried to hide the fact that they were bought off by roughly the same people. The GOP won't be burning anything down. It will be the same orgy of unpaid-for tax cuts for the Best Americans, combined with some tremendous spending projects.

Sounds likely to me. I can think of few things more unwise than telling a real estate developer that we "can't go bankrupt". Early in his campaign he reflected a bit of pleasant shock at being informed that the dollar is the "world's currency" and thereby we can print whatever we need. He, and I am talking about real estate developers in general here, is likely to miss the caveat of "within limits" which goes on the end of that assumption. Think kid in a candy store with dad's credit card here.

Parenthetically, the unused spaces on the Fiscal Responsibility Express can be filled. Weddings? HS reunions? Herbalife conventions? Don't let it go to waste!

It will depend a lot on Ryan. He and Trump figure to be buttin' heads on Getting America Moving Again.

 

[SloopJonB]

Just today, NPR was opining that a large part of the reason that Trump gained so much traction with the blue collar working class is that the Dem party pays lip service to them and is instead even more elitist than the GOP.

What's your definition of elite? The dems are the party of the educated urban/suburban professional class. Upper middle class values - they may be worth millions but they still pick up the kid from school, ie the coast tech worker class.

the GOP stil has rich upper crust power brokers and plenty of them, but it's also the party of the rural areas, exurbs and the rust belt. those areas are poor and poorly educated usually.

that's broad generalities with lots of crossover. I'd be surprised if the Midwest stays blue much longer though.

??? What planet did you say you were from?

 

[Raz'r]

There's no reason the moderate social, fiscal conservative, globalist members of the old R party wouldn't be welcomed into the D party. It's not like they have much in common with the populists.

 

[Bus Driver]

Just today, NPR was opining that a large part of the reason that Trump gained so much traction with the blue collar working class is that the Dem party pays lip service to them and is instead even more elitist than the GOP.

What's your definition of elite? The dems are the party of the educated urban/suburban professional class. Upper middle class values - they may be worth millions but they still pick up the kid from school, ie the coast tech worker class.

the GOP stil has rich upper crust power brokers and plenty of them, but it's also the party of the rural areas, exurbs and the rust belt. those areas are poor and poorly educated usually.

that's broad generalities with lots of crossover. I'd be surprised if the Midwest stays blue much longer though.

I gotta agree.

I have a few friends with whom I stay in close contact who are staunch Republicans. With the exception of one, they are toward the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum and are angry. Lifelong dues-paying union members who saw their livelihood disappear, they switched from Dem to Repub. To a person, they are convinced the GOP will enrich them. I mean enrich. They talk of handouts to "lazy" and "shiftless" takers. Implicit in their comments are that these people are melanin-enhanced. They truly believe if we abolish social safety nets, the amount they pay in taxes for these programs would remain in their pockets and they would suddenly move up a few rungs of the economic ladder.

When shown the actual amount of their money going to those programs, they remain steadfast in their denial. Also, they refuse to see the idea that blacks are doing all the taking as being erroneous. THAT is a masterful job at controlling the beliefs of folks who want to be told who is responsible for why they aren't rich.

How is that any different than the message the Dems tell the blacks that it is everyone else's (i.e. the white's) fault that they are poor and living in the hood? The D's have been able to reliably get 95% of the black vote on that message alone.

I won't argue with you, on that point.

 

[Bus Driver]

If I read the thread title correctly, it seems as if the OP is about the GOP saying "Let's Burn This Bitch Down".

If that is correct, I call "Bullshit". Electing Trump to blow it up means nothing if you send 90%+ of Congress back to DC.

Certainly Democrats sent their own critters back. But, the GOP held both chambers and their voters sure seem content to have their bum in office.

That said, the GOP has the White House, both chambers of Congress, and (soon enough) the Supreme Court. No excuses.

 

[Ease the sheet.]

Well, duh.

 

[Spatial Ed]

The GOP is best as the opposition party. Never really providing solutions, just throwing shit from the cage. Now that they are in power, the people expect them to govern. Its not their strong suit. And they are now being led by a thin skinned vulgarian with no plans.

 

[billy backstay]

The GOP is best as the opposition party. Never really providing solutions, just throwing shit from the cage. Now that they are in power, the people expect them to govern. Its not their strong suit. And they are now being led by a thin skinned vulgarian with no plans.

Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves now....

 

[Bus Driver]

His first item on this list is * FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;

Good luck with getting Congress to take that up.

By the way, I love the idea.

 

[roundthebuoys]

Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, Trump.. Let that sink in.

 

[SloopJonB]

His first item on this list is * FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;

Good luck with getting Congress to take that up.

By the way, I love the idea.

That poses an interesting question;

How powerful will the Trump "Bully Pulpit" be?

He's certainly got the bully part down. Will the grunts in congress be able to defy him without suffering the wrath of their constituents?

 

[Raz'r]

His first item on this list is * FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;

Good luck with getting Congress to take that up.

By the way, I love the idea.

That poses an interesting question;

How powerful will the Trump "Bully Pulpit" be?

He's certainly got the bully part down. Will the grunts in congress be able to defy him without suffering the wrath of their constituents?

Ryan has a backbone, but Trump will have about 100 days to ram, cram and slam shit through.

 

[bplipschitz]

His first item on this list is * FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;

Good luck with getting Congress to take that up.

By the way, I love the idea.

I find McConnell's reaction to this fucking hilarious.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

There's no reason the moderate social, fiscal conservative, globalist members of the old R party wouldn't be welcomed into the D party. It's not like they have much in common with the populists.

The sign by the big tent will read:

WELCOME BITTER CLINGERS! LEAVE YOUR GUNS AND BIBLES OUTSIDE!