jb5
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jb5
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https://sport.francetvinfo.fr/voile/vendee-globe/nicolas-troussel-le-vendee-globe-enfin.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Corum launching next week. At last. Maybe the NY Vendee?
Corum launching next week. At last. Maybe the NY Vendee?
Sailbydate
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jb5
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Using Facebook is beyond words awful, but this seems to be new. Sorry if its not.
jb5
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Regarding the lateness of the launch they compare it to the 2000 launch of Michel Desjoyeaux in May that year and of course he went on to win the 2000/1 VG for PRB. Like nothing much has changed in 20 years and 4 further editions. Good luck to them on that one.
I am looking forward to seeing it as well.
Sailbydate
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I like L'Occitane's approach. Rather than look to how to retract the foils, look at how to change their orientation relative to the hull so that they are clear of the water. Also keeps the inboard bearing and structure lower and reduces the openings by half. With the inboard bearing being the moveable one, keeping that structure low is significant.
I bet the others will be watching them more closely than the others that are far more of a development on the same theme.
I bet the others will be watching them more closely than the others that are far more of a development on the same theme.
Ahstom
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According to Desjoyeaux, they just kept the global shape of the hull (the deck aswell, I suppose). Bulkheads are announced to be different. The lamination process from Mer Agitée could also be different so the final weight will differ. For the french understanding members, I strongly advise you to listen the podcast from tip&shaft with Michel Desjoyeaux (3 hour long discussion !), it's fascinating!
jb5
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Similar visible design would be my expectation. I would hope the cockpit is a little better considered than AP's wide open spaces and difficult looking forward access. Desjoyeaux was one of the first with the sliding roof enclosure cockpit on the first Foncia in 2008/9 (now Jean Le Cam's boat). Wonder if they changed the forward deck camber to remove the need for drains. Biggest issues I see are gaining quick reliability within the limited available testing time. The boats are way more complex these days of course than in 2000 and 2008. Can this group go up against a very well versed as MER Concept in modern IMOCA prep and turn out an instant winner. Foil shape in the water I would think will continue to converge with the other new boats. Will find out soon I guess. Its great to have 4 designers in play.
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Only one foil so far then!!
jb5
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https://www.letelegramme.fr/voile/voile-nicolas-troussel-ce-projet-est-genial-09-03-2020-12521549.php
Nicolas Troussel interview on the link in French - Corum IMOCA. Some excerpts below,.
Abandoned the Route du Rhum 2018 in Class40, Corum, who then decides to launch a new Imoca project for the Vendée Globe 2020.
On November 9, 2018, I returned from Portugal after my abandonment. I work on my files and at the end of November Corum l'Épargne, tells me "ok, here we go". I go to see Juan Kouyoumdjian and there, Greg Evrard tells us "I'm ready to be project manager if you go". It reassured everyone, it was one more stone. In the process, I chat with Michel Desjoyeaux at the Salon nautique in Paris, we all see each other with Kouyoumdjian at Corum in Paris and we sign at the end of December.
Why did you choose Juan Kouyoumdjian as architect and Michel Desjoyeaux's Mer Agitée project?
Kouyoumdjian, I like the man because he is not like the others, a little like me. He has lots of ideas, is able to go on paths that others do not explore. This is my philosophy. Juan is very talented and has things to prove in the Imoca class. For the construction sites, I called several, including that of Michel Desjoyeaux necessarily. He has won the Vendée Globe twice, has the reputation of knowing how to build, of following construction sites very well, etc. And as Michel wanted to work with Kouyoumdjian… There was an alignment of planets in a short time. It was extraordinary.
In terms of timing, it's hot. You are not ahead ...
We still have a lot of work. In our specifications, we wanted to make a solid boat. We did not skimp on the safety factors. Being light is not a criterion that has been retained. The launch is scheduled for mid-March.
Nicolas Troussel interview on the link in French - Corum IMOCA. Some excerpts below,.
Abandoned the Route du Rhum 2018 in Class40, Corum, who then decides to launch a new Imoca project for the Vendée Globe 2020.
On November 9, 2018, I returned from Portugal after my abandonment. I work on my files and at the end of November Corum l'Épargne, tells me "ok, here we go". I go to see Juan Kouyoumdjian and there, Greg Evrard tells us "I'm ready to be project manager if you go". It reassured everyone, it was one more stone. In the process, I chat with Michel Desjoyeaux at the Salon nautique in Paris, we all see each other with Kouyoumdjian at Corum in Paris and we sign at the end of December.
Why did you choose Juan Kouyoumdjian as architect and Michel Desjoyeaux's Mer Agitée project?
Kouyoumdjian, I like the man because he is not like the others, a little like me. He has lots of ideas, is able to go on paths that others do not explore. This is my philosophy. Juan is very talented and has things to prove in the Imoca class. For the construction sites, I called several, including that of Michel Desjoyeaux necessarily. He has won the Vendée Globe twice, has the reputation of knowing how to build, of following construction sites very well, etc. And as Michel wanted to work with Kouyoumdjian… There was an alignment of planets in a short time. It was extraordinary.
In terms of timing, it's hot. You are not ahead ...
We still have a lot of work. In our specifications, we wanted to make a solid boat. We did not skimp on the safety factors. Being light is not a criterion that has been retained. The launch is scheduled for mid-March.
Sailbydate
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300kgs. L'Occitane's foil shape solution is interesting. And closer in semicircular shape (like Hugo Boss's) than the VPLP Verdier, or Juan K foils - which tend to have flatter surfaces with sharper angles, like Charal's for example.
jb5
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jb5
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https://www.scanvoile.com/2020/03/la-transat-new-york-vendee-les-sables-2020-les-inscrits.html?m=1#.XmmHmbkpC7o
27 entries for the NY Vendee. 17 foilers. Good to see Conrad on the list.
Fabrice Amedeo - Newrest & Art et Fenêtres
Romain Attanasio - PURE
Yannick Bestaven - Maître CoQ
Jérémie Beyou - Charal
Conrad Colman - Ethical Power
Manuel Cousin - Groupe Sétin
Clarisse Crémer - Banque Populaire IX
Charlie Dalin - APIVIA
Sam Davies - Initiatives Cœur
Benjamin Dutreux - Water Family-Oceania Hotels
Kevin Escoffier - PRB
Pip Hare - Pip Hare Ocean Racing
Boris Herrmann - Malizia II-Yacht Club de Monaco
Isabelle Joschke - MACSF
Stéphane Le Diraison - Time For Oceans
Miranda Merron - French Campaign
Erik Nigon - Towards a World Without AIDS
Giancarlo Pedote - Prysmian Group
Alan Roura - La Fabrique
Thomas Ruyant - ADVENS for Cybersecurity
Damien Seguin - APICIL Group
Kojiro Shiraishi - DMG Mori Global One
Sébastien Simon - ARKEA PAPREC
Maxime Sorel - V and B-Mayenne
Alex Thomson - Hugo Boss
Armel Tripon - L'Occitane en Provence
Nicolas Troussel - CORUM L'Épargne
Key dates for the race:
In New York:
- June 10: deadline for arrival of boats at the Brooklyn Navy Yard
- June 11: meeting of skippers at the French consulate
- June 13: exhibition regatta in the form of runs at the foot of the statue of Liberty
- June 16: departure from New York-Vendée-Les Sables d'Olonne
Aux Sables d'Olonne:
- June 25: opening of the village
- Between June 25 and 28: ETA of the boats
- June 28: Postlogue, runs in front of the large Sables d'Olonne beach and awards ceremony
Source: J Huve
27 entries for the NY Vendee. 17 foilers. Good to see Conrad on the list.
Fabrice Amedeo - Newrest & Art et Fenêtres
Romain Attanasio - PURE
Yannick Bestaven - Maître CoQ
Jérémie Beyou - Charal
Conrad Colman - Ethical Power
Manuel Cousin - Groupe Sétin
Clarisse Crémer - Banque Populaire IX
Charlie Dalin - APIVIA
Sam Davies - Initiatives Cœur
Benjamin Dutreux - Water Family-Oceania Hotels
Kevin Escoffier - PRB
Pip Hare - Pip Hare Ocean Racing
Boris Herrmann - Malizia II-Yacht Club de Monaco
Isabelle Joschke - MACSF
Stéphane Le Diraison - Time For Oceans
Miranda Merron - French Campaign
Erik Nigon - Towards a World Without AIDS
Giancarlo Pedote - Prysmian Group
Alan Roura - La Fabrique
Thomas Ruyant - ADVENS for Cybersecurity
Damien Seguin - APICIL Group
Kojiro Shiraishi - DMG Mori Global One
Sébastien Simon - ARKEA PAPREC
Maxime Sorel - V and B-Mayenne
Alex Thomson - Hugo Boss
Armel Tripon - L'Occitane en Provence
Nicolas Troussel - CORUM L'Épargne
Key dates for the race:
In New York:
- June 10: deadline for arrival of boats at the Brooklyn Navy Yard
- June 11: meeting of skippers at the French consulate
- June 13: exhibition regatta in the form of runs at the foot of the statue of Liberty
- June 16: departure from New York-Vendée-Les Sables d'Olonne
Aux Sables d'Olonne:
- June 25: opening of the village
- Between June 25 and 28: ETA of the boats
- June 28: Postlogue, runs in front of the large Sables d'Olonne beach and awards ceremony
Source: J Huve
Sailbydate
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jb5
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L'Occitane ? Probably not unless they have to due to an early usage breakage or similar. which hopefully won't happen but did to Arkea Paprec. I was talking about the v2 foils coming on HB, Arkea Paprec and Charal in particular and also likely V2's for Apivia and Advens later in the season and the potential for convergence of in the water shape, not so much hull entry/exit design. Point is anyway, until we see the final versions for the VG it's a moving playing field which is a fun and unique new variable in IMOCA.
Let me venture a guess, compiling what I heard from my sources...
HB V2 : very similar geometry (if not identical) to V1.
Arkea : Similar concept as V1, but with bigger shafts !
Corum may be quite different from Arkea, not a lot more info.
Malizia is building the same foils as MACSF.
Verdier V2's might feature longer shafts, and less flexible tips.
No info on Charal.
Interesting times ahead !
HB V2 : very similar geometry (if not identical) to V1.
Arkea : Similar concept as V1, but with bigger shafts !
Corum may be quite different from Arkea, not a lot more info.
Malizia is building the same foils as MACSF.
Verdier V2's might feature longer shafts, and less flexible tips.
No info on Charal.
Interesting times ahead !
