THE IMOCA thread, single/double handed & TOR
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jb5
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Team Malizia attempting the crewed west-east transatlantic record. To 60 feet I assume. Boris not on board.
Departure ambrose here
https://www.instagram.com/p/B16pTjsHZU1/?igshid=16pyvxilaoe54
Tracker here
https://tracker.borisherrmannracing.com/
Departure ambrose here
https://www.instagram.com/p/B16pTjsHZU1/?igshid=16pyvxilaoe54
Tracker here
https://tracker.borisherrmannracing.com/
jb5
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That's a very complex item if the SA outward trip thread is to be believed. Way over my pay grade.
I just think it's good see one of these boats being pushed and used like it should be not sitting at some dock. Good publicity opportunity for the sponsors as well on what could otherwise have been a pretty invisible home trip. The boat did after all have to get home somehow.
I just think it's good see one of these boats being pushed and used like it should be not sitting at some dock. Good publicity opportunity for the sponsors as well on what could otherwise have been a pretty invisible home trip. The boat did after all have to get home somehow.
jb5
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https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-france.fr/bateau/60-pieds/imoca/sorti-de-chantier-pour-l-imoca-dmg-mori-sister-ship-du-charal-de-jeremie-beyou-ceeb5dee-ccbe-11e9-b985-707ad0eef1db
DMG-Mori article. In French. Google translation below. Basically an exact copy of Charal but where Charal is going to get new foils etc this boat may stay pretty much stock.
Google...
Field work for IMOCA DMG-Mori, sister ship Charal Jérémie Beyou
DMG-Mori, sister ship of Charal de Jérémie Beyou, was released Saturday from the Vannes Multiplast yard.
The IMOCA DMG-Mori from Japan's Kojiro Shiraishi came out Saturday from the multiplast yard in Vannes (Morbihan). On plans VPLP, this 60 feet will be launched Monday morning is a copy of Charal Jérémie Beyou, the first foiler of the new generation. But he should not evolve as his sister-ship before his participation in the Vendée Globe 2020.
Let's be clear: it was more of an appetizer than a launch because DMG-Mori is far from being finalized, to the point that its participation in the Azimut Challenge of Lorient, from 18 to 22 September, then to the transat Jacques Vabre which will leave Le Havre on October 27 seems compromised or at least figurative.
In short, in the absence of the Japanese skipper Kojiro Shiraishi, the new IMOCA is well out of his hangar at Multiplast for a launch scheduled Monday in Vannes and a Wednesday Wednesday in Lorient. But for all that, nothing is planned yet for the boat trips on such a machine, Jérémie Beyou having already had a hard time developing his Charal in almost a year.
The fourth of the season
According to designers, builders and preparers of this 60 feet, DMG-Mori is totally identical to its predecessor but "the Japanese", that is to say that some details have been the subject of reflection. Not necessarily to change anything.
With its decoration less "flashy" than that of Charal , this IMOCA designed for the Vendée Globe 2020 appears much less aggressive and does not seem to evolve over the coming months, when Jérémie Beyou already announces for his a "version 2" of its foils, an additional investment of 500 000 €, as well as a transformation of its wells for the coming winter.
The "fashion" for such appendages is indeed the curve, which suggests that Jérémie Beyou will strongly draw inspiration from the curved foil version installed on the new Hugo Boss in particular.
Find here our article on the "Version 2" of Charal.
DMG-Mori has undergone some modifications compared to its Charal sister-ship but should not evolve any further by the next Vendée Globe.
DMG-Mori has undergone some modifications compared to its Charal sister-ship but should not evolve any further by the next Vendée Globe. | DOMINIC BOURGEOIS
In fact, it is the fourth IMOCA prototype released this year after Arkéa-Paprec by Sébastien Simon (Juan Kouyoumdjian plans), Charlie Dalin's Apivia (Guillaume Verdier plans), Alex Thomson's Hugo Boss (plans VPLP) and before the aDvens of Thomas Ruyant (plans Guillaume Verdier) which must find the fresh air on September 6th in Lorient.
It will remain only the plan Manuard Armel Tripon, of which little is known at the moment, and the plan Juan Kouyoumdjian Nicolas Troussel who will be a sister ship of Arkéa-Paprec .
These seven skippers (including Jérémie Béyou) are automatically qualified for the non-stop solo round the world race, only having to confirm that their boat is fit.
"We worked nine months, or 30,000 hours , on DMG-Mori," says Yann Penfornis, Director of Multiplast. We put it in the water a week before the planning because there are big tides at the moment ".
"We still have to do resistance tests, the test gauge to 90 ° but it will be necessary to wait until it is masted," he adds.
"We have recovered the mussels of Charal to realize this IMOCA and apart from some very slight details around the deckhouse, it is his sister-ship but in Japanese fashion: it is the fusion of German (DMG) and Japanese companies ( Mori) who is behind this project. Kojiro Shiraishi has planned to make the Vendée Globe 2020 with this version of foils " says Yann Penfornis.
And the director of Multiplast adds that " it is a narrower boat, 5 m 55, than the previous generation because they are real foilers: at the time, it took width to to have stability because we did not really know if the foils were going to work. Today, we know that it works and the back is less - square - ".
"These are boats that have a little less wet surface in the air and are made to sail on their foils, concludes Yann Penfornis. Stability is no longer due to shapes but appendages. But the foils must not break! "
DMG-Mori article. In French. Google translation below. Basically an exact copy of Charal but where Charal is going to get new foils etc this boat may stay pretty much stock.
Google...
Field work for IMOCA DMG-Mori, sister ship Charal Jérémie Beyou
DMG-Mori, sister ship of Charal de Jérémie Beyou, was released Saturday from the Vannes Multiplast yard.
The IMOCA DMG-Mori from Japan's Kojiro Shiraishi came out Saturday from the multiplast yard in Vannes (Morbihan). On plans VPLP, this 60 feet will be launched Monday morning is a copy of Charal Jérémie Beyou, the first foiler of the new generation. But he should not evolve as his sister-ship before his participation in the Vendée Globe 2020.
Let's be clear: it was more of an appetizer than a launch because DMG-Mori is far from being finalized, to the point that its participation in the Azimut Challenge of Lorient, from 18 to 22 September, then to the transat Jacques Vabre which will leave Le Havre on October 27 seems compromised or at least figurative.
In short, in the absence of the Japanese skipper Kojiro Shiraishi, the new IMOCA is well out of his hangar at Multiplast for a launch scheduled Monday in Vannes and a Wednesday Wednesday in Lorient. But for all that, nothing is planned yet for the boat trips on such a machine, Jérémie Beyou having already had a hard time developing his Charal in almost a year.
The fourth of the season
According to designers, builders and preparers of this 60 feet, DMG-Mori is totally identical to its predecessor but "the Japanese", that is to say that some details have been the subject of reflection. Not necessarily to change anything.
With its decoration less "flashy" than that of Charal , this IMOCA designed for the Vendée Globe 2020 appears much less aggressive and does not seem to evolve over the coming months, when Jérémie Beyou already announces for his a "version 2" of its foils, an additional investment of 500 000 €, as well as a transformation of its wells for the coming winter.
The "fashion" for such appendages is indeed the curve, which suggests that Jérémie Beyou will strongly draw inspiration from the curved foil version installed on the new Hugo Boss in particular.
Find here our article on the "Version 2" of Charal.
DMG-Mori has undergone some modifications compared to its Charal sister-ship but should not evolve any further by the next Vendée Globe.
DMG-Mori has undergone some modifications compared to its Charal sister-ship but should not evolve any further by the next Vendée Globe. | DOMINIC BOURGEOIS
In fact, it is the fourth IMOCA prototype released this year after Arkéa-Paprec by Sébastien Simon (Juan Kouyoumdjian plans), Charlie Dalin's Apivia (Guillaume Verdier plans), Alex Thomson's Hugo Boss (plans VPLP) and before the aDvens of Thomas Ruyant (plans Guillaume Verdier) which must find the fresh air on September 6th in Lorient.
It will remain only the plan Manuard Armel Tripon, of which little is known at the moment, and the plan Juan Kouyoumdjian Nicolas Troussel who will be a sister ship of Arkéa-Paprec .
These seven skippers (including Jérémie Béyou) are automatically qualified for the non-stop solo round the world race, only having to confirm that their boat is fit.
"We worked nine months, or 30,000 hours , on DMG-Mori," says Yann Penfornis, Director of Multiplast. We put it in the water a week before the planning because there are big tides at the moment ".
"We still have to do resistance tests, the test gauge to 90 ° but it will be necessary to wait until it is masted," he adds.
"We have recovered the mussels of Charal to realize this IMOCA and apart from some very slight details around the deckhouse, it is his sister-ship but in Japanese fashion: it is the fusion of German (DMG) and Japanese companies ( Mori) who is behind this project. Kojiro Shiraishi has planned to make the Vendée Globe 2020 with this version of foils " says Yann Penfornis.
And the director of Multiplast adds that " it is a narrower boat, 5 m 55, than the previous generation because they are real foilers: at the time, it took width to to have stability because we did not really know if the foils were going to work. Today, we know that it works and the back is less - square - ".
"These are boats that have a little less wet surface in the air and are made to sail on their foils, concludes Yann Penfornis. Stability is no longer due to shapes but appendages. But the foils must not break! "
southerncross
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were any reasons given for the poor performance of that boat? visually, it was a beauty.
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3to1
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it'd be interesting to know the total square footage of that foil outside the hull, fully extended. that's some brute force power.
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Sailbydate
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gotta' pay to play.
Raptorsailor
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no idea but iirc it was never on the same level as Gitana, Safran or any of the other foilers. Heck, Maitre Coq, a previous generation IMOCA beat it. But yeah, she was a beauty.
Jean Pierre dick came 4th. What's poor about being 4th behind the likes of Armel, AT and Beyou?
Can't find the source rn, but I'm pretty sure Virbac-Paprec was built in the same mold as Gitana. However, before last VG, I remember JP Dick saying he wished he had more time to prepare because they weren't fully ready, might explain why you felt it was slower than the others.
Althought I would say that all the first gen foilers (Hugo Boss aside) are "dogs" if you look at the big picture. Trying to foil, but without comitting fully because at the time they weren't sure it would work RTW. I expect most of them to be beaten by the refits from the previous gen.
jb5
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One of the foilers you're calling dogs won the whole thing and some other races. Very far from a dog when up against 30 other boats.
From memory JPD made some tactical choices that didn't exactly help him in the VG, one in the Indian going through Bass Strait to avoid a depression which turned out to be unnecessary and another before that in either the Atlantic or around Cape of Good Hope, I can't recall. He should have been 3rd but blew it along the way even with Jeremy Beyou being without weather and suffering other issues for a significant period of time in the south. That boat subsequently has gone on to do very well in the hands of Yann Eilies including in the RDR. It has not been significantly development since the VG.
Raptorsailor
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Mmmmmm. Note, it's foils looked less developed than Gitana, BP and Safran. Leaving HB out of this because BP and Safran are sisterships, Gitana is a cousin of Safran, sharing many features and is a sistership of Virpac. HB was the albino reject. Could it be the foils? The hull is almost identical to its family as far as I can tell. Or purely bad decisions?
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jb5
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Yann was first foiler in the RDR as I recall. Same boat as JPD. Boris with the ex Gitana was after the relegated HB and PRB with new huge foils. Nothing wrong with the boat.
jb5
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jb5
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Sail oft time. Short teaser before this weeks launch.
