The Looming Civil War

[dacapo]

which isn;t terribly acc

Oh and Melz, that map of state by state colors really doesn't tell the whole story. This is a much more representative map of the voter concentrations in the 50 states.
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which isn't terribly accurate. It shows my county in NY as BLUE and I can tell you it has been a red county for decades. There are more MAGA in my county than you can believe. R county exec., R Mayor of largest city in the county, most town mayors are R , racism, white nationalists, (heck for years one of the largest KKK groups north of the mason dixon line was located here)

 

[Burning Man]

Exactly. The corn, milo and hogs predictably vote Republican. The people often vote Democrat.
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Yeah and? Just because you don't live in a big city doesn't make you any less the people. Your map and my map both show that this country's politics is almost entirely or mainly divided by city vs rural.

 

[ShortForBob]

Yeah and? Just because you don't live in a big city doesn't make you any less the people. Your map and my map both show that this country's politics is almost entirely or mainly divided by city vs rural.

Pretty much the same as most countries then.

 

[Burning Man]

Pretty much the same as most countries then.

Yup. Typically the city folk think they know what's best for the "simple" rural folk. And the rural folk just want to be left the fuck alone.

 

[ShortForBob]

Yup. Typically the city folk think they know what's best for the "simple" rural folk. And the rural folk just want to be left the fuck alone.

I don't think that's it. Rural people simply have different issues, price of wheat, lack of services, lack of infrastructure etc. Trouble is they don't have the numbers to get the funding required to cover the last two because of the vast expense to put a good hospital in an area with only 5% of the population of a similar catchment area in the cities. They see this as unfair. Which it is. So they turn to the "guy" that stirs up their resentment but still cant deliver.

 

[ShortForBob]

52?

yeah sorry, I was taught there were 52 and that number stuck. I assume my teachers in the UK were counting washington DC and PR.

 

[d'ranger]

Yup. Typically the city folk think they know what's best for the "simple" rural folk. And the rural folk just want to be left the fuck alone.

Really? City folk live with lots of people and understand that a functioning society is required to exist. Rural folk don't have those issues and thus don't give a shit about anyone else. And vote to make sure to punish those liberal elites they resent.

But thanks for playing.

 

[Lark]

I think Mel is kind of right. The fly over joke does apply. Except for crop subsidies team red doesn’t bring much to the table, but they listen and talk the talk. Team blue never noticed us, or anything outside of city limits except the national
parks. A lot of people were left behind by Clinton’s trade deals,

Anybody that’s adjusted a combine to minimize waste and tried to predict corn vs bean futures based on events around the world would never call the farmer simple. There used to be a self reliance ethos to rural living overlapping old school Republican values. That seems to have eroded considerably in my lifetime, a casualty of Amazon and the internet as much as the reality most no longer rely on farm revenue . Meanwhile Republican values have shifted to match @dacapo observations about his county’s affiliation based on its racism .

 

[Burning Man]

I think Mel is kind of right. The fly over joke does apply. Except for crop subsidies team red doesn’t bring much to the table, but they listen and talk the talk. Team blue never noticed us, or anything outside of city limits except the national
parks. A lot of people were left behind by Clinton’s trade deals,

Anybody that’s adjusted a combine to minimize waste and tried to predict corn vs bean futures based on events around the world would never call the farmer simple. There used to be a self reliance ethos to rural living overlapping old school Republican values. That seems to have eroded considerably in my lifetime, a casualty of Amazon and the internet as much as the reality most no longer rely on farm revenue . Meanwhile Republican values have shifted to match @dacapo observations about his countie’s affiliation based on racism .

Agree with all.

 

[Olsonist]

Yup. Typically the city folk think they know what's best for the "simple" rural folk. And the rural folk just want to be left the fuck alone.

You've been watching too many Beverly Hillbillies and Dukes of Hazard reruns. Dude, there are no simple rural folk anymore. We have Walmart cowboys driving pavement princesses. The Marlboro Man died of lung cancer quite awhile ago.

 

[Burning Man]

You've been watching too many Beverly Hillbillies and Dukes of Hazard reruns. Dude, there are no simple rural folk anymore. We have Walmart cowboys driving pavement princesses. The Marlboro Man died of lung cancer quite awhile ago.

You haven't been out in the rural farmlands much, have you?

 

[Olsonist]

You haven't been out in the rural farmlands much, have you?

As opposed to the city farmlands? I did work a summer picking apricots and my siblings picked strawberries. I wouldn't call it rural, though. My sister in law's family sold their seed corn farm in Iowa to the corporations. They sure talk funny but then no one wanted to be the next generation. No, I'm 100% city myself, especially at this point. But when I go through farmland what I see looks a lot more like suburbia with really big lawns than Beverly Hillbillies. They get cable.

 

[Burning Man]

As opposed to the city farmlands? I did work a summer picking apricots and my siblings picked strawberries. I wouldn't call it rural, though. My sister in law's family sold their seed corn farm in Iowa to the corporations. They sure talk funny but then no one wanted to be the next generation. No, I'm 100% city myself, especially at this point. But when I go through farmland what I see looks a lot more like suburbia with really big lawns than Beverly Hillbillies. They get cable.

So your summer picking apricots 40 years ago and occasional drives in the country gives you speshul insight into rural folk now?

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

As opposed to the city farmlands? I did work a summer picking apricots and my siblings picked strawberries. I wouldn't call it rural, though. My sister in law's family sold their seed corn farm in Iowa to the corporations. They sure talk funny but then no one wanted to be the next generation. No, I'm 100% city myself, especially at this point. But when I go through farmland what I see looks a lot more like suburbia with really big lawns than Beverly Hillbillies. They get cable.

Just saying 'no' would have been quicker and more on point.

Don't really know about the farmlands of the USA but I can guarantee that Australian broadacre farmlands don't get cable and a lot don't get cell phone coverage either. Properties are measured in thousands to tens of thousands of acres, some big grazing properties even larger than that. Even my 630 acre country hobby farm is 15km from the nearest small town and 100km from a population centre big enough to have a base hospital. And THEY fly people needing specialist/urgent care to the capital city hospitals.

What you're describing is smallholdings and market gardens, not farmland. The fact that you conflate the 2 shows what you don't know.

FKT

 

[3to1]

As opposed to the city farmlands? I did work a summer picking apricots and my siblings picked strawberries. I wouldn't call it rural, though. My sister in law's family sold their seed corn farm in Iowa to the corporations. They sure talk funny but then no one wanted to be the next generation. No, I'm 100% city myself, especially at this point. But when I go through farmland what I see looks a lot more like suburbia with really big lawns than Beverly Hillbillies. They get cable.

they also are on to 'woke' and liberal lies. innocence lost...

 

[Olsonist]

Just saying 'no' would have been quicker and more on point.

Don't really know about the farmlands of the USA but I can guarantee that Australian broadacre farmlands don't get cable and a lot don't get cell phone coverage either. Properties are measured in thousands to tens of thousands of acres, some big grazing properties even larger than that. Even my 630 acre country hobby farm is 15km from the nearest small town and 100km from a population centre big enough to have a base hospital. And THEY fly people needing specialist/urgent care to the capital city hospitals.

What you're describing is smallholdings and market gardens, not farmland. The fact that you conflate the 2 shows what you don't know.

FKT

 

[Steam Flyer]

Yup. Typically the city folk think they know what's best for the "simple" rural folk. And the rural folk just want to be left the fuck alone.

Sure. That's why the ones who were bankrupted by Trump's "easy to win" trade war are still very enthusiastic about voting for Trump and Trump-endorsed candidates.

 

[billy backstay]

Sure. That's why the ones who were bankrupted by Trump's "easy to win" trade war are still very enthusiastic about voting for Trump and Trump-endorsed candidates.

RWNJ Fox News has brainwashed them to think that Biden is responsible for inflation, when it's really caused by oil prices, interest rates, and Corporate greed, none of which the sitting POTUS has any control over. Trumps Trillion dollar tax giveaway to the richest and Corporations certainly did not help matters.

 

[Clove Hitch]

Yup. Typically the city folk think they know what's best for the "simple" rural folk. And the rural folk just want to be left the fuck alone.

What a bunch of shit. Who is pushing Christian nationalism and wanting to impose their religion and beliefs on Health Care on other people? Is it the rural folk or the city folk?

 

[Mike in Seattle]

What a crock of shit.

City people think wolves are "good" and outvote the country people by around 8 to 1 to force wolves on the country people.

, and then _look away_ as ranchers and small hobby ranchers see their livestock decimated.


, maybe we should transplant packs of wolves into the city parks.