If I know TWD, TWA and TWS, what is there left unknown?
The Ocean Race 2023 leg 3: Capetown to Itajaí, Brazil
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If I know TWD, TWA and TWS, what is there left unknown?
Typically in this context true heading is known, from IMU/AHRS and GNSS compass. Magnetometer supports this, of course.
All the boats surely have one.
dg_sailingfan
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@TheDragon is completely out of his mind when he thinks Malizia is now going to win the Overall Race.
Fabricensis
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Sure the overall is Holcims to loose, but calling it before even half of the points are distributed is a bit steep
If Holcim has to abandon the TA leg right at the start the overall is wide open for the Top 3
timotheysski
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Agreed, but as much as I hate to say it, she shouldn't push it if she still feels the effects. Adding layers to a concussion will really mess you up super bad. I have a friend who got whacked in the head twice while training offshore. Still decided to do the Newport-Bermuda Race with concussion symptoms for reasons that are their own and that I won't comment on. They were super out of it for the whole race, had to fly back without doing the delivery back, and didn't get to enjoy time in Bermuda much.
Had lingering symtoms for a LONG time.
TL;DR: Don't mess around with concussions.
timotheysski
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To be fair, the 11th Hour boat doesn't look all that uncomfortable either I like the cockpit (albeit less than Malizia but still) and they at least have bright colors all over, which is super nice to the eye. Boats like Biotherm and Holcim are kinda sad when it's all grey.
One day when hopefully I get an IMOCA built for myself for the Vendée, I think I would add in the graphic design brief that it should have a bright and diverse color scheme. Obviously it would need to be in accordance with the sponsor brand identity, but I'm sure you can always figure something out.
One day when hopefully I get an IMOCA built for myself for the Vendée, I think I would add in the graphic design brief that it should have a bright and diverse color scheme. Obviously it would need to be in accordance with the sponsor brand identity, but I'm sure you can always figure something out.
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dg_sailingfan
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The Overall Race has 45 Points in total to be distributed
Leg 1: 5 Points
Leg 2: 5 Points
Leg 3: 10 Points
Leg 4: 5 Points
Leg 5: 10 Points
Leg 6: 5 Points
Leg 7: 5 Points
They now have raced for 20 Points. Holcim has to have a Major Breakdown as you said to make the Overall Race competitive.
Dragon says Malizia will now win the rest of the Legs based on the Leg 3 Performance is complete bogus. 11th Hour Racing Team will be keen to have a good Result into their Home Port in Leg 4 which is Newport.
timotheysski
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"Bad RNG lol"
Funny phrases aside autopilot issues are often just plain back luck. Electronics already act pretty goofy on dry land so the environments in these boats are just a problem potential multiplier. It's often difficult to tell exactly what's going on but think of it like a computer bug. It just happens without you doing anything in particular.
I certainly don't think the autoilot is having a hard time driving the boat because of the boat design, I think it's just a bug.
In the last HPRB video linked before Kevin states "its only finished at the finish line".
It only needs 1 bad maneuver from TM and light winds at the finish and HPRB might be back in the game.
If I'm not mistaken only TM has full standing height in the cockpit. Several sailors have already complaint about never being able to fully stand up.
3 months during a VG in a slamming IMOCAs is already brutal, then put 3 months of being bend over on top of that and I wonder at what point the performance loss by a higher roof is equalized by better sailor morale.
tiljim
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Light winds are not coming and would not help either (unless no wind at all, which is even more unlikely). TM just has to remain in one piece.
A boat stuffing the bow in is harder to helm than one that doesn't. The incident has happened more than once for them. If I crash gybe in 35-40+ knots and loose a race I don't want someone telling me it's a bug.
Qtrfoil
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timotheysski
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Bit of an eeky question but I have noticed that all the French teams say "chinese gybe" all over their social media/interviews and so on without issue. I'm French, I was raised in France and learned to sail over there, and I also learned to say "chinese gybes".
However it seems like the other teams and SA people use "unintentional gybe" and so on. Again, I don't really know the situation here in the US sailing world though I've lived in Massachusetts for a number of years, which is why I'm asking.
Is "chinese gybe" considered insensitive nowadays? Like if my muscle memory kicked in and I said it on a US boat would I get weird looks?
However it seems like the other teams and SA people use "unintentional gybe" and so on. Again, I don't really know the situation here in the US sailing world though I've lived in Massachusetts for a number of years, which is why I'm asking.
Is "chinese gybe" considered insensitive nowadays? Like if my muscle memory kicked in and I said it on a US boat would I get weird looks?
You want any freedom fries to go with that?
I think its an universal term, lets not sterilize everything into clear uniform grayness
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DLT
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Exactly, IIRC there was some kind of torture where victims would be put in a hole not high enough to be able to stand up straight and not wide enough to allow for any other position than standing. Not sure why these boats need to be that precarious in terms of comfort. As you say, crew well-being plays an important part in performance, especially in long, grueling legs as this one. They should take that into account for the next formula.
dg_sailingfan
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Interesting
In 2009 Boats raced from Qingdao to Rio de Janeiro (12.300 Nautical Miles) which will become the 2nd longest Leg of the Race.
www.media.volvocars.com
So the Race had a similar Leg once before. Ericsson 3 completed it in 40 Days.
In 2009 Boats raced from Qingdao to Rio de Janeiro (12.300 Nautical Miles) which will become the 2nd longest Leg of the Race.
2008-09
Alicante – Cape Town – Cochin – Singapore – Qingdao – Rio de Janeiro – Boston – Galway – Marstrand – Stockholm – St Petersburg
archive.theoceanrace.com
Volvo Ocean Race 2008-09: The Longest Leg in the History - Qingdao to Rio de Janeiro
Five Volvo Ocean Race teams are girding themselves for the longest leg in the history of the race - a 12,300 nautical mile marathon to from Qingdao, China to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. The leg starts at 1300 local time (0500 GMT) on Saturday 14 February from a start line positioned just off the...
www.media.volvocars.com
So the Race had a similar Leg once before. Ericsson 3 completed it in 40 Days.