The serious transgender bathroom issue discussion

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Since the other threads on the topic have already been polluted, I wanted to start one fresh now that NC and the DOJ have sued each other over the issue. I actually applaud that the NC governor has filed suit and is going to force the courts and/or congress to clarify this issue.

All joking aside - I am conflicted on this issue. I can see both sides have a legitimate point.

First of all - I think the T part of the LGBT movement was feeling left out after the big win of the gay marriage ruling by the SCOTUS and they are pushing hard to get similar cases regarding this whole gender identity BS to the high court. I think its actually going to backfire on them as I don't think there is the stomach in the court or in the US population as a whole to upend centuries of tradition over bathroom privacy. When it was about sucking dick or munching carpet in the privacy of your own bedroom - I think society finally shrugged and said "meh" because what gays do on their own does not affect the rest of us. But now you are changing the dynamic and forcing the rest us to deal with someone's fucked up gender confusion issues literally right where we shit. I think they have pushed too far and will actually hurt their cause when the inevitable backlash happens.

On the one hand - I can understand some confused tranny would like to shit, shower and shave in the bathroom corresponding to where he/she/it thinks he/she/it most fits in based on how they feel.

However, on the other hand - I can also understand that the actual people with actual genitalia that correspond to the bath/shower room might be equally uncomfortable having someone of the opposite genitalia showering in the locker room that doesn't match.

I personally couldn't give a shit (no pun intended) if some chick who thought she was a boy wanted to shower next to me. Whatever. But I would not have wanted my daughter to have to shower next to some tranny boy prancing around in the girl's shower room in elementary school after PE.

There comes a point where the forced accommodation of the few seriously impacts the rights and privacy of the many. Should we ignore it? No. We should attempt an accommodation where feasible that protects the rights and privacy of both parties. But there also comes a point where the accommodation goes overboard. I don't think we can, nor should, please ALL the people ALL the time. Where it makes sense, have a gender neutral BR or shower that ensures privacy. And if existing facilities don't allow that, then find temp accommodations for the trannyboy - like when a school offered to let him/her/it use the faculty BR. And then upgrade facilities over time. But I think it is wrong to force already cash strapped municipalities to rush to build all new tranny bathrooms and showers in every city in the land just to accommodate a few confused caitlyns.

But the confused caitlyns don't want that. They are forcing the issue down the state's throats because they think they have political momentum on their side. Well they don't and I think they are going to rue the day when the T part of the LGBT movement over-reached.

 
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A really good interview with NC Governor McCrory:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/nc-governor-we-need-clarity-on-bathroom-law-but-not-from-the-executive-branch/#transcript

I think he sums it up well here

We just — we are seeking basic clarity of this, because the executive branch doesn’t have the power to interpret law. That’s the power of the judicial branch. And that’s what we’re seeking.

But what the attorney general has done now with her new ruling is basically all employers in the United States of America and all universities in the United States of America, based upon her letter of interpretation, is saying that all employers must allow gender identity in the private sector for any employer over 15 employees.

That means a man who believes they’re a woman would be able to go into a woman’s restroom, locker room or shower facility. And that’s where the dispute is, and we’re asking for basic clarity of that. It is a very complex and emotional issue. And I think the courts are the right way to do it. And then, sooner or later, I think the U.S. Congress has got to get clarity on this whole issue also.
 

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Jeffy, Jeffy, Jeffy, Jeffy, Jeff.

Your post are inane as someone else's.

Put your fear aside and understand this first concept, there is a huge difference between gender and sexuality.

 

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Waste of government time and resources as everyone grandstands for votes and popularity.

0.3% of the population is transgender. Versus- 5% of the population has Alzheimer's. 15% live in poverty. This should not be a priority. We need to allocate financial resources to solving problems that affect the mainstream and not the fringe.

 

learningJ24

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This is, probably, more a ploy to scare voters out to the polls than a serious issue. We had a transgender kid (professional pain in the ass) and we just changed a staff restroom to a universal restroom. Problem solved (at least that one). I don't view this as much more serious than the accommodations for the physically handicapped. Just put everything in stalls and don't bother to check under the clothes. The shower issue is interesting but is it real or is it an imaginary issue like voter fraud? I haven't heard any kid talking about the issue.

 

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This is, probably, more a ploy to scare voters out to the polls than a serious issue. We had a transgender kid (professional pain in the ass) and we just changed a staff restroom to a universal restroom. Problem solved (at least that one). I don't view this as much more serious than the accommodations for the physically handicapped. Just put everything in stalls and don't bother to check under the clothes. The shower issue is interesting but is it real or is it an imaginary issue like voter fraud? I haven't heard any kid talking about the issue.
It is purely a GOTV and fundraising wedge issue of the most cynical sort. Vile.
 
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Jeffy, Jeffy, Jeffy, Jeffy, Jeff.

Your post are inane as someone else's.

Put your fear aside and understand this first concept, there is a huge difference between gender and sexuality.
I am well aware of the difference. But what you wake up one day and feel your gender is that day should in no way impact my privacy or my daughter's privacy to not shower in a shower room full of tranny dicks. If its important enough to feel the need to shower in the women's locker room, go have your cock removed. Simple as that.

 

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In order to justify the infringement of a persons rights, one needs to demonstrate a compelling reason. There has never been and will not ever be a need to restrict potty access to trannies.

 
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In order to justify the infringement of a persons rights, one needs to demonstrate a compelling reason. There has never been and will not ever be a need to restrict potty access to trannies.
We shall see. As I've said, I have no issue with it personally. I've been in many a gender neutral toilet in bars. Its a non-event. I think its the showers at schools that are going to be the issue as this gets pushed down America's throat. Look for a lawsuit against the first ladyboy who wants to go shower in the girls locker room after PE at the Middle School. I think that will happen sooner rather than later.

 

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In order to justify the infringement of a persons rights, one needs to demonstrate a compelling reason. There has never been and will not ever be a need to restrict potty access to trannies.
We shall see. As I've said, I have no issue with it personally. I've been in many a gender neutral toilet in bars. Its a non-event. I think its the showers at schools that are going to be the issue as this gets pushed down America's throat. Look for a lawsuit against the first ladyboy who wants to go shower in the girls locker room after PE at the Middle School. I think that will happen sooner rather than later.
What about the rights of women and girls who might not want a biological male showering with them in the locker room? Do these women and girls have no rights now?

Looks like the democrat SJWs have just thrown biological women under the bus.

 

Spatial Ed

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In order to justify the infringement of a persons rights, one needs to demonstrate a compelling reason. There has never been and will not ever be a need to restrict potty access to trannies.
We shall see. As I've said, I have no issue with it personally. I've been in many a gender neutral toilet in bars. Its a non-event. I think its the showers at schools that are going to be the issue as this gets pushed down America's throat. Look for a lawsuit against the first ladyboy who wants to go shower in the girls locker room after PE at the Middle School. I think that will happen sooner rather than later.
What about the rights of women and girls who might not want a biological male showering with them in the locker room? Do these women and girls have no rights now?

Looks like the democrat SJWs have just thrown biological women under the bus.
They do, the right to leave. Just like any other public accommodation. First they banned the queer from the toilet, then they banned the queer from the square, then they'll ban the queer from the nation.

 
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In order to justify the infringement of a persons rights, one needs to demonstrate a compelling reason. There has never been and will not ever be a need to restrict potty access to trannies.
We shall see. As I've said, I have no issue with it personally. I've been in many a gender neutral toilet in bars. Its a non-event. I think its the showers at schools that are going to be the issue as this gets pushed down America's throat. Look for a lawsuit against the first ladyboy who wants to go shower in the girls locker room after PE at the Middle School. I think that will happen sooner rather than later.
What about the rights of women and girls who might not want a biological male showering with them in the locker room? Do these women and girls have no rights now?

Looks like the democrat SJWs have just thrown biological women under the bus.
Isn't that what I just posted? That the rights of girls will be violated when a biological male shows up to shower with them..... I think the trannyboy and the school will get slapped with a lawsuit as soon as it happens.

 

Spatial Ed

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I didn't see in the Bill of Rights the right to shower only with your own sex. Did they miss that?

 

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In order to justify the infringement of a persons rights, one needs to demonstrate a compelling reason. There has never been and will not ever be a need to restrict potty access to trannies.
We shall see. As I've said, I have no issue with it personally. I've been in many a gender neutral toilet in bars. Its a non-event. I think its the showers at schools that are going to be the issue as this gets pushed down America's throat. Look for a lawsuit against the first ladyboy who wants to go shower in the girls locker room after PE at the Middle School. I think that will happen sooner rather than later.
What about the rights of women and girls who might not want a biological male showering with them in the locker room? Do these women and girls have no rights now?

Looks like the democrat SJWs have just thrown biological women under the bus.
Isn't that what I just posted? That the rights of girls will be violated when a biological male shows up to shower with them..... I think the trannyboy and the school will get slapped with a lawsuit as soon as it happens.
That certainly seems to be the worst case scenario that these types of laws are responsive. How has it played-out when it happened?

 
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I didn't see in the Bill of Rights the right to shower only with your own sex. Did they miss that?
I also don't see in the bill of rights to right to shower with members of the opposite sex if it makes them uncomfortable.

I actually look forward to the day if this kind of shit becomes the norm, i.e. the liberals force this shit on the schools - that the HS football jocks all decide to go shower in the girls locker room with the cheerleaders because they woke up that morning and felt their identity for that day was female. But then of course on Friday they decided to be make for the big football game. Hey if gender identity is that fluid and we have to accommodate everything, I say fucking go for it boys!

 
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In order to justify the infringement of a persons rights, one needs to demonstrate a compelling reason. There has never been and will not ever be a need to restrict potty access to trannies.
We shall see. As I've said, I have no issue with it personally. I've been in many a gender neutral toilet in bars. Its a non-event. I think its the showers at schools that are going to be the issue as this gets pushed down America's throat. Look for a lawsuit against the first ladyboy who wants to go shower in the girls locker room after PE at the Middle School. I think that will happen sooner rather than later.
What about the rights of women and girls who might not want a biological male showering with them in the locker room? Do these women and girls have no rights now?

Looks like the democrat SJWs have just thrown biological women under the bus.
Isn't that what I just posted? That the rights of girls will be violated when a biological male shows up to shower with them..... I think the trannyboy and the school will get slapped with a lawsuit as soon as it happens.
That certainly seems to be the worst case scenario that these types of laws are responsive. How has it played-out when it happened?
I don't know? Has it happened yet? If not, it will soon enough.

 

Spatial Ed

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You have a right of free association. You want that right removed for a segment of the population.

I don't know? Has it happened yet? If not, it will soon enough.
You are making the same argument that gun grabbers make.

 
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