The serious transgender bathroom issue discussion

[Sol Rosenberg]

@ gov - if that woman does say she's uncomfortable with a biological man in the woman's locker room, what accommodation would/should we give her? A private shower? What if she refuses just as the tranny boy refuses to use a separate shower?

Do we boot her out of her own locker room, suck it up and say to go to class sweaty and you can damn well shower when you get home?

Its that what you're saying?

Nobody is suggesting that cisgender males should be allowed to use the female bathroom. That is a red herring.

 

[nannygovtsucks]

Suppose Sol decides he' a cat today. Does he deserve a litter box accommodation?

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

That's twice that the Nannygoat ran away from Megyn's question.... Maybe she is onto something. To be fair, she stumped her guest too.

 

[Jim M]

I have no words.

39 year old Donna Wright (born Donald Wright) was shot to death in a Bradford’s Department store in Colorado this weekend. The incident happened when Wright, who was dressed as a woman, attempted to use the women’s bathroom. A fellow shopper, 55-year old Kathleen Workman, politely asked Wright to use the Men’s room, since Wright was visibly a man.

This allegedly angered Wright and she became combative while following Workman into the women’s restroom. Workman says that Wright lost control and became using explicit language while continuing to follow her into the restroom. While they were both in the restroom, Workman says that Wright started to display what Mrs. Workman considered aggressive body language along with the verbal assault.

Workman said she became scared and she pulled her handgun from her purse, again asking Wright to leave. The sight of the gun allegedly enraged Wright, and that’s when Wright charged at Workman.

Fearing for her life, Workman fired three shots with her Kimber 1911 Ultra .45 caliber handgun in self defense. Donna Wright had stopped breathing and was pronounced dead upon arrival of emergency respondents.

Since there were no cameras or witnesses, no charges have been filed against Workman. Workman was licensed to carry a concealed weapon and the incident is being ruled as a shooting in self-defense, although an investigation is still pending. http://dcgazette.com/2016/transgender-female-shot-death-department-store/

Edit to add: Scratch it. Snopes says the report is false. Looks like rw media likes stirring the pot.

 

[Raz'r]

Nah, this whole gender segregation thing is old skool, antiquated thinking. To coin a phrase from Reagan..... "Mr Obama, Tear down those walls!"

I've long called for a color-blind society. We can add gender-blind to it as well. I'm serious.

There's not a male America and a female America.

obviously you're not married.

 

[nannygovtsucks]

That's twice that the Nannygoat ran away from Megyn's question.... Maybe she is onto something. To be fair, she stumped her guest too.

What did Meghan say about cats?

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

That's twice that the Nannygoat ran away from Megyn's question.... Maybe she is onto something. To be fair, she stumped her guest too.

What did Meghan say about cats?

She said that once you cut their balls off they turn into a docile little nanny and stop asking questions.

 

[nannygovtsucks]

That's twice that the Nannygoat ran away from Megyn's question.... Maybe she is onto something. To be fair, she stumped her guest too.

What did Meghan say about cats?

She said that once you cut their balls off they turn into a docile little nanny and stop asking questions.

That's pretty rude, Sol. (Also unresponsive.)

 

[Hard On The Wind]

Republicans want this person pissing in a men's room.

Andreja Peji

 

[Guest]

@ gov - if that woman does say she's uncomfortable with a biological man in the woman's locker room, what accommodation would/should we give her? A private shower? What if she refuses just as the tranny boy refuses to use a separate shower?

Do we boot her out of her own locker room, suck it up and say to go to class sweaty and you can damn well shower when you get home?

Its that what you're saying?

Nobody is suggesting that cisgender males should be allowed to use the female bathroom. That is a red herring.

What would be the problem with cisgender males using the female bathroom. What if they felt feminine that day and just needed to sit in a stall that didn't reek of ball-sweat, urine sprayed on the floor and instead wanted the couch and the nice smell of candles in the ladies restroom? Why would you deny him that?

 

[Raz'r]

@ gov - if that woman does say she's uncomfortable with a biological man in the woman's locker room, what accommodation would/should we give her? A private shower? What if she refuses just as the tranny boy refuses to use a separate shower?

Do we boot her out of her own locker room, suck it up and say to go to class sweaty and you can damn well shower when you get home?

Its that what you're saying?

Nobody is suggesting that cisgender males should be allowed to use the female bathroom. That is a red herring.

What would be the problem with cisgender males using the female bathroom. What if they felt feminine that day and just needed to sit in a stall that didn't reek of ball-sweat, urine sprayed on the floor and instead wanted the couch and the nice smell of candles in the ladies restroom? Why would you deny him that?

I know you are pretending to not understand the difference between cisgender and transgender. Why?

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

@ gov - if that woman does say she's uncomfortable with a biological man in the woman's locker room, what accommodation would/should we give her? A private shower? What if she refuses just as the tranny boy refuses to use a separate shower?

Do we boot her out of her own locker room, suck it up and say to go to class sweaty and you can damn well shower when you get home?

Its that what you're saying?

Nobody is suggesting that cisgender males should be allowed to use the female bathroom. That is a red herring.

What would be the problem with cisgender males using the female bathroom. What if they felt feminine that day and just needed to sit in a stall that didn't reek of ball-sweat, urine sprayed on the floor and instead wanted the couch and the nice smell of candles in the ladies restroom? Why would you deny him that?

I know you are pretending to not understand the difference between cisgender and transgender. Why?

What you're intentionally refusing to accept is that the difference is self-declared, and if so, then no enforcement of separation is possible.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

@ gov - if that woman does say she's uncomfortable with a biological man in the woman's locker room, what accommodation would/should we give her? A private shower? What if she refuses just as the tranny boy refuses to use a separate shower?

Do we boot her out of her own locker room, suck it up and say to go to class sweaty and you can damn well shower when you get home?

Its that what you're saying?

Nobody is suggesting that cisgender males should be allowed to use the female bathroom. That is a red herring.

What would be the problem with cisgender males using the female bathroom. What if they felt feminine that day and just needed to sit in a stall that didn't reek of ball-sweat, urine sprayed on the floor and instead wanted the couch and the nice smell of candles in the ladies restroom? Why would you deny him that?

I know you are pretending to not understand the difference between cisgender and transgender. Why?

and that is the gist of this, which Ms. Kelly so aptly demonstrated. Remove the fallacy by which cisgender males are substituted for transgender females, and the whole outrage festival falls apart.

Who has suggested that cisgender males should be allowed in female restrooms?

 

[Guest]

@ gov - if that woman does say she's uncomfortable with a biological man in the woman's locker room, what accommodation would/should we give her? A private shower? What if she refuses just as the tranny boy refuses to use a separate shower?

Do we boot her out of her own locker room, suck it up and say to go to class sweaty and you can damn well shower when you get home?

Its that what you're saying?

Nobody is suggesting that cisgender males should be allowed to use the female bathroom. That is a red herring.

What would be the problem with cisgender males using the female bathroom. What if they felt feminine that day and just needed to sit in a stall that didn't reek of ball-sweat, urine sprayed on the floor and instead wanted the couch and the nice smell of candles in the ladies restroom? Why would you deny him that?

I know you are pretending to not understand the difference between cisgender and transgender. Why?

I know exactly what it is. It is the opposite of transgender. Its essentially a double negative. Its a normal dude with a dick who knows he's a dude. I'm asking what is the issue with a cisgender dude using the women's restroom or shower? Are you now saying that it would be wrong to have a dude's dick swinging around in the women's shower but a "sorta woman's" dick is OK?

 

[nannygovtsucks]

If it walks like a dick and quacks like a dick, it's a dick.

 

[slatfatf]

How could one determine if the person is a cisgender who is lying about his gender identity or a transgender. There is no functional difference for purposes of the directive from the feds. If you questioned whether someone was truly a transgender or a jerk doing it on a dare, you would be opening up yourself to a civil rights lawsuit. I don't want anyone to be discriminated against, but I don't believe that a lot of this was well thought out. Sure in the past transgenders would often use bathrooms of the gender they identify with, but the reason it was never, or rarely, a problem was that they appeared to be the gender they identify with. I don't see anything in the new directives which could be construed as allowing schools to have a test or criteria for determining whether someone is really a transgender or not. I do not think it is a red herring. Teenagers can be immature, and will do stupid inappropriate things on a dare. As with any population, a subset of them are going to be maladjusted sexually and have voyeuristic or exhibitionist tendencies. Without some type of real criteria to sort out who is a "real" transgender, there are bound to be cases where these directives result in unintended consequences.

 

[Raz'r]

@ gov - if that woman does say she's uncomfortable with a biological man in the woman's locker room, what accommodation would/should we give her? A private shower? What if she refuses just as the tranny boy refuses to use a separate shower?

Do we boot her out of her own locker room, suck it up and say to go to class sweaty and you can damn well shower when you get home?

Its that what you're saying?

Nobody is suggesting that cisgender males should be allowed to use the female bathroom. That is a red herring.

What would be the problem with cisgender males using the female bathroom. What if they felt feminine that day and just needed to sit in a stall that didn't reek of ball-sweat, urine sprayed on the floor and instead wanted the couch and the nice smell of candles in the ladies restroom? Why would you deny him that?

I know you are pretending to not understand the difference between cisgender and transgender. Why?

I know exactly what it is. It is the opposite of transgender. Its essentially a double negative. Its a normal dude with a dick who knows he's a dude. I'm asking what is the issue with a cisgender dude using the women's restroom or shower? Are you now saying that it would be wrong to have a dude's dick swinging around in the women's shower but a "sorta woman's" dick is OK?

i figure the rules that have existed for millennia have been working just fine. I'm the Conservative here. It's worked, It works, it will continue to work. No Change necessary.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

@ gov - if that woman does say she's uncomfortable with a biological man in the woman's locker room, what accommodation would/should we give her? A private shower? What if she refuses just as the tranny boy refuses to use a separate shower?

Do we boot her out of her own locker room, suck it up and say to go to class sweaty and you can damn well shower when you get home?

Its that what you're saying?

Nobody is suggesting that cisgender males should be allowed to use the female bathroom. That is a red herring.

What would be the problem with cisgender males using the female bathroom. What if they felt feminine that day and just needed to sit in a stall that didn't reek of ball-sweat, urine sprayed on the floor and instead wanted the couch and the nice smell of candles in the ladies restroom? Why would you deny him that?

I know you are pretending to not understand the difference between cisgender and transgender. Why?

I know exactly what it is. It is the opposite of transgender. Its essentially a double negative. Its a normal dude with a dick who knows he's a dude. I'm asking what is the issue with a cisgender dude using the women's restroom or shower? Are you now saying that it would be wrong to have a dude's dick swinging around in the women's shower but a "sorta woman's" dick is OK?

Maybe let the blacks into the same bathrooms too.

 

[slatfatf]

i figure the rules that have existed for millennia have been working just fine. I'm the Conservative here. It's worked, It works, it will continue to work. No Change necessary.

The unwritten rules we have been operating under up to this point essentially said if you looked like a woman, you used the women's room, if you looked like a man, you used the men's room. The new written regulations make no such requirement. I understand that apparently a lot of people have much higher expectations for human behavior. Unfortunately, I don't. Even if 99.9% of teenagers are upstanding citizens with the highest integrity, that still leaves the door open for the 3 or 4 creepers who are not to abuse a law meant to protect against discrimination, and instead use it to create a hostile environment for the other 99.9% of the students.

 

[Guest]

How could one determine if the person is a cisgender who is lying about his gender identity or a transgender. There is no functional difference for purposes of the directive from the feds. If you questioned whether someone was truly a transgender or a jerk doing it on a dare, you would be opening up yourself to a civil rights lawsuit. I don't want anyone to be discriminated against, but I don't believe that a lot of this was well thought out. Sure in the past transgenders would often use bathrooms of the gender they identify with, but the reason it was never, or rarely, a problem was that they appeared to be the gender they identify with. I don't see anything in the new directives which could be construed as allowing schools to have a test or criteria for determining whether someone is really a transgender or not. I do not think it is a red herring. Teenagers can be immature, and will do stupid inappropriate things on a dare. As with any population, a subset of them are going to be maladjusted sexually and have voyeuristic or exhibitionist tendencies. Without some type of real criteria to sort out who is a "real" transgender, there are bound to be cases where these directives result in unintended consequences.

As usual, spot fucking on, Len. Which has been my whole point from the beginning of this thread.

But, its not happened yet - so sol, razr and the rest are going to stick their heads in the sand until it does. Another ten spot says it happens in the next 6 months or less.