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let's say it happens once every six months.
twice a year
how many peeping tom cases are filed every year
probably more than 2
A guy in the Chesapeake
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Why, especially as it pertains to kids, would you support anything that even remotely increased the possibility for the kids' to be subjected to such a thing?
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Fine with me. But I didn't realize the negros were not allowed into the bathrooms. Maybe only in N FL is that a problem?
But there are laws which protect against peeping toms, apples and oranges. Here we are talking about removing a schools ability to deal with it, unless it blatantly crosses into sexual harassment or assault.
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Bass ackwards. The Charlotte ordinance did not protect the right of cisgender males to violate the sanctity of the women's pisser. Similarly, the NC law does not address cisgender rights. We are not talking about cisgender rights, other than the effort to use cisgenders as a red herring to distract from the conversation, as Ms. Kelly noted.
It's a tough topic. We're not talking about a few pervy pranksters here, there are 700,000 people in the category, in the US. How many must there be to be entitled to protection from folks dusting off the same arguments for discrimination that were used in the 50s and 60s and 00s? Doing some reading and learning about it might help. http://www.vox.com/2015/4/24/8483561/transgender-gender-identity-expression
The folks fighting it used much the same arguments as folks are using here.
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/teachers/lesson_plans/pdfs/unit11_4.pdf
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no, we are not removing the schools ability to "deal with it"
IF a kid is transgender, which is pretty obvious, they choose which bathroom they use.
That's it. not, Johnny, "I wanna see a Vag", who says out of the blue "i'm a girl today"
I am definitely not trying to distract from the conversation. I am serious in asking how does one, in a written regulation or law, differentiate between a cisgender pretending to be transgender and a real transgender? I don't think it is possible, and it certainly is not contained in the directive from the feds.
Sol Rosenberg
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Sure they can. When they realize that little Johnny is using the girls room, and hasn't let the administration know about being transgender.
I can't imagine the amount of crap these people have to endure, or that anyone would want to go through it for fun. The lack of real world problems indicates that such is the case. Of course, we will now get a rash of men causing problems in women's bathrooms, to try to prove the point, a number I predict will far exceed the number of transgender people causing trouble.
Well, yeah. That is kinda my point, and without any criteria for determining when someone is really a transgender, I think there is little that schools could do to deal with Johnny whether he tells them he is transgendered or not. I am not expecting the trouble to come from actual transgendered people, at least not for the most part. Primarily, I expect trouble to come from troublemakers who use hastily written and poorly thought out laws and regulations as cover for being deviants and dickheads.
So - why did North Carolina decide to open pandora's box?
Looks like Sol is right. There was no issue before, now there is a forced solution which won't work as well as when folks just dealt with it. Or much more likely, didn't know they were dealing with it.
I lay this squarely on the bigots in the NC statehouse.
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So - why did North Carolina decide to open pandora's box?
Looks like Sol is right. There was no issue before, now there is a forced solution which won't work as well as when folks just dealt with it. Or much more likely, didn't know they were dealing with it.
I lay this squarely on the bigots in the NC statehouse.
Charlotte opened the box with their whiney little bathroom law. Without the bathroom issue the 2015 law would have passed.
Whiney little shits usually get what they want to shut them up. But people are getting a little fed up with the tantrums and taking action. The whiner in chief looks pretty silly on this one too.
So - why did North Carolina decide to open pandora's box?
Looks like Sol is right. There was no issue before, now there is a forced solution which won't work as well as when folks just dealt with it. Or much more likely, didn't know they were dealing with it.
I lay this squarely on the bigots in the NC statehouse.
It is partially them, but I don't think the case in IL helped much either. I think there are activists on both sides who are going to push the issue in a direction that most of us won't find appealing in the end. I can understand why some parents and students would not feel comfortable in the same common shower and changing area with a transgender who has not transitioned or only partially transitioned. I don't think that makes them bigots. I think the NC law was just as poorly thought out, or even more poorly thought out, than the latest directive from the feds, but I think it is silly to blame the feds failure to think things through on the legislature in NC. Both can be wrong.
Looks like Sol is right. There was no issue before, now there is a forced solution which won't work as well as when folks just dealt with it. Or much more likely, didn't know they were dealing with it.
I lay this squarely on the bigots in the NC statehouse.
It is partially them, but I don't think the case in IL helped much either. I think there are activists on both sides who are going to push the issue in a direction that most of us won't find appealing in the end. I can understand why some parents and students would not feel comfortable in the same common shower and changing area with a transgender who has not transitioned or only partially transitioned. I don't think that makes them bigots. I think the NC law was just as poorly thought out, or even more poorly thought out, than the latest directive from the feds, but I think it is silly to blame the feds failure to think things through on the legislature in NC. Both can be wrong.
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So - why did North Carolina decide to open pandora's box?
Looks like Sol is right. There was no issue before, now there is a forced solution which won't work as well as when folks just dealt with it. Or much more likely, didn't know they were dealing with it.
I lay this squarely on the bigots in the NC statehouse.
That's BS. This is squarely on the CLT City council. In an exceedingly LGBT friendly city, why did they have to pass the bathroom law. It had been working fine to this point. What problem were they solving? None, they were trying to set precedent and start the seeds of a nationwide movement into less-LGBT friendly areas.
All you who are saying there is no current problem, why does it need to be addressed are shooting yourselves in the foot. If that is the case, then the LGBT initiatives are going to lose their impetus. Best you just hush up if you want to help them.
It is partially them, but I don't think the case in IL helped much either. I think there are activists on both sides who are going to push the issue in a direction that most of us won't find appealing in the end. I can understand why some parents and students would not feel comfortable in the same common shower and changing area with a transgender who has not transitioned or only partially transitioned. I don't think that makes them bigots. I think the NC law was just as poorly thought out, or even more poorly thought out, than the latest directive from the feds, but I think it is silly to blame the feds failure to think things through on the legislature in NC. Both can be wrong.
As I understand it, the Feds are using a watered down NYC school policy, which hasn't had any issues.
That's BS. This is squarely on the CLT City council. In an exceedingly LGBT friendly city, why did they have to pass the bathroom law. It had been working fine to this point. What problem were they solving? None, they were trying to set precedent and start the seeds of a nationwide movement into less-LGBT friendly areas.
All you who are saying there is no current problem, why does it need to be addressed are shooting yourselves in the foot. If that is the case, then the LGBT initiatives are going to lose their impetus. Best you just hush up if you want to help them.
i don't know what the issues were in Charlotte. But they seemed to have a local solution. It's the big gov't types that are happy now, on both sides.
Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true Minister. Charlottes ordinance did not have the power of law. Words matter. Except to propagandists.
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i don't know what the issues were in Charlotte. But they seemed to have a local solution. It's the big gov't types that are happy now, on both sides.
Then fucking educate yourself. You've been spouting off here for days that there is no issue so why did this have to come to a head. Well tell me the issue in CLT that prompted their push of their bathroom law. The reality was there was no issue. The CLT city council was manufacturing a solution to a non-issue so they could push an agenda. And that agenda was:
"Hey look at us. Look how fucking progressive and LGBT friendly we are".
I also think they correctly anticipated the NC legislature reaction and deliberately kicked the hornets nest to get attention to this "non" issue.
225 cities have forms of gender anti-discrimination laws. This is how it works - the minority is protected from the whims of the majority. the "problem" that exists is discrimination. Thats real
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San Diego, City of
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"Hey look at us. Look how fucking progressive and LGBT friendly we are".
I also think they correctly anticipated the NC legislature reaction and deliberately kicked the hornets nest to get attention to this "non" issue.
What was "her" name Jeff?
Alaska
Anchorage, City of
Arizona
Phoenix, City of
Tempe, City of
Tucson, City of
Arkansas
Fayetteville, City of
Eureka Springs, City of
California
Los Angeles, City of
Oakland, City of
Palm Springs, City of
Sacramento, City of California
San Diego, City of
San Francisco, City of
Santa Cruz County
West Hollywood, City of
Colorado
Boulder, City of
Denver, City of
District of Columbia
Washington, City of
Florida
Atlantic Beach, City of
Alachua County
Broward County
Gainesville, City of
Gulfport, City of
Key West, City of
Lake Worth, City of
Leon County
Miami Beach, City of
Miami-Dade County
Monroe County
Palm Beach County
Pinellas County
Orlando, City of
Tampa, City of
Volusia County
West Palm Beach, City of
Georgia
Atlanta, City of
Idaho
Boise, City of
Coeur d’Alene, City of
Idaho Falls, City of
Ketchum, City of
Moscow, City of
Pocatello, City of
Sandpoint, City of
Victor, City of
Illinois
Aurora, City of
Carbondale, City of
Champaign, City of
Chicago, City of
Cook County
Decatur, City of
DeKalb, City of
Evanston, City of
Peoria, City of
Springfield, City of
Indiana
Bloomington, City of
Evansville, City of
Indianapolis, City of
Marion County
Monroe County
South Bend, City of
Iowa
Ames, City of
Cedar Rapids, City of
Council Bluffs, City of
Davenport, City of
Des Moines, City of
Iowa City
Johnson County
Sioux, City of
Waterloo, City of
Kansas
Lawrence, City of
Roeland Park, City of
Kentucky
Covington, City of
Danville, City of
Frankfort, City of
Jefferson County
Lexington, City of
Lexington-Fayette County
Louisville, City of
Morehead, City of
Vicco, City of
Louisiana
New Orleans, City of
Shreveport, City of
Maryland
Baltimore, City of
Baltimore County
College Park, City of
Howard County
Hyattsville, City of
Montgomery County
Massachusetts
Boston, City of
Cambridge, City of
Northampton, City of
Salem, City of
Worcester, City of
Michigan
Ann Arbor, City of
Detroit, City of
East Lansing, City of
Ferndale, City of
Grand Rapids, City of
Huntington Woods, City of
Kalamazoo, City of
Lansing, City of
Pleasant Ridge, City of
Saugatuck, City of
Sterling Heights, City of
Traverse, City of
Ypsilanti, City of
Minnesota
Minneapolis, City of
St. Paul, City of
Missouri
Columbia, City of
Clayton, City of
Kansas City
Kirkwood, City of
Olivette, City of
St. Louis County
St. Louis, City of
University City
Montana
Bozeman, City of
Butte-Silver Bow, City of
Helena, City of
Missoula, City of
Nebraska
Omaha, City of
New York
Albany, City of
Binghamton, City of
Buffalo, City of
Ithaca, City of
New York City
Rochester, City of
Suffolk County
Syracuse, City of
Tompkins County
Westchester County
North Carolina
Chapel Hill, City of
Ohio
Athens, City of
Bowling Green, City of
Cincinnati, City of
Cleveland, City of
Columbus, City of
Coshocton, City of
Dayton, City of
East Cleveland, City of
Newark, City of
Oxford, City of
Summit County
Toledo, City of
Yellow Springs, Village of
Oregon
Beaverton, City of
Bend, City of
Benton County
Corvallis, City of
Eugene, City of
Hillsboro, City of
Lake Oswego, City of
Lincoln City
Multnomah County
Portland, City of
Salem, City of
Pennsylvania
Abington Township
Allegheny County
Allentown, City of
Bethlehem, City of
Cheltenham Township
Doylestown, City of
East Norriton, City of
Easton, City of
Erie County
Harrisburg, City of
Hatboro, City of
Haverford Township
Jenkinstown Borough
Lansdowne Borough
Lower Marion Township
New Hope Borough
Newton Borough
Philadelphia, City of
Pittsburgh, City of
Pittston, City of
Scranton, City of
Reading, City of
Springfield Township
State College Borough
Susquehanna Township
Swarthmore, City of
Upper Merion Township
West Chester Borough
Whitemarsh Township
York, City of
Rhode Island
Providence, City of
South Carolina
Myrtle Beach, City of
Texas
Austin, City of
Dallas County
Dallas, City of
Fort Worth, City of
Plano, City of
Utah
Alta, City of
Grand County
Harrisville, City of
Logan, City of
Midvale, City of
Moab, City of
Murray City
Ogden, City of
Salt Lake City
Salt Lake County
Springdale, City of
Summit County
Taylorsville, City of
West Valley, City
Washington
Burien, City of
King County
Seattle, City of
Spokane, City of
Tacoma, City of
West Virginia
Charleston, City of
Huntington, City of
Wisconsin
Dane County
Madison, City of
Milwaukee, City of
Dane County
Madison, City of
Milwaukee, City of
Wyoming
Laramie, City of
Then fucking educate yourself. You've been spouting off here for days that there is no issue so why did this have to come to a head. Well tell me the issue in CLT that prompted their push of their bathroom law. The reality was there was no issue. The CLT city council was manufacturing a solution to a non-issue so they could push an agenda. And that agenda was:
"Hey look at us. Look how fucking progressive and LGBT friendly we are".
I also think they correctly anticipated the NC legislature reaction and deliberately kicked the hornets nest to get attention to this "non" issue.
What was "her" name Jeff?
