The serious transgender bathroom issue discussion

[Sol Rosenberg]

And Rockdog's daughter's upset is of no consequence and must be subordinated to the transperson's upset at not being able to use whatever facility they feel like.

The discomfort argument, without hiding behind plausible deniability, provided by a child:

 

[Raz'r]

So.... again. What is wrong with a normal guy (not a trannie) using the girl's locker room to dress and shower?

It will upset Rockdog's daughters

No, it will upset rockdog

Rockdog has never claimed he would be upset by a trans guy in his locker room. He is only concerned about his daughters and the feeling of others like them.They would be upset by seeing a penis or having to undress in front of someone who has a penis.

Please try to keep up

FYI

I am pretty certain this link is a different Rockdog

Probably

I guess

Well, maybe

http://heyyou62.tumblr.com/post/109177864179/my-celebrity-porn-sara-kulka-nude-pictures

And Rockdog's daughter's upset is of no consequence and must be subordinated to the transperson's upset at not being able to use whatever facility they feel like.

When a tranny with dangly bits is in Rockdog's daughter's locker room AND the administration forces Rockdog's daughter (at gunpoint?) to undress, then I think we'll have an issue.

Imagine!

 

[Rockdog]

Nope.

There have been a number of recent mainstream

Media Sixty Minutes style reports about little boys living as girls.

The last one I watched told a story of a little kid who seemed to get along pretty well with his mostly girl friends.

I don't think your little girls have a little boy / girl friend. I am simply playing the odds. There aren't that many.

My guess is if the little boy in the CBS story I did see was among your daughter's closest friends, you would be just another compassionate adult who would do his best to help the kid get through the process of growing up.

His little weenie might well turn out to be the least of your concerns about your daughter's various friends.

I believe undressing in the same room as the kid in the CBS report would be a whole lot different to your daughter than undressing in front of a guy.

And I think you are only under rating her comprehension of the world in an attempt to make a point.

Last:

I really think you need to meet at least one trans girl before you continue ranting about the things you believe they will do and the way people will react to them.

All I can tell you from my own experience is "trans girls sure as hell are not like any guys I have ever known."

They think they are women

Really

99% of your concerns will go away when you understand who or what us a trans girl.

They just are not like guys

Saw those stories as well. Very young kids whoes concept of 'girl' or 'boy' is not based on genitalia. There comes an age when it becomes a factor to them.

Explain how a young girl can tell the difference between a naked trans boy standing next to her in the shower and a normal boy.

 

[Rockdog]

Holy Shit! Just saw my first tranny walking out of the girlz bathroom. S/he kinda looked like Tilda Swinton.

I didn't hear any screaming from in there.

How do you know she was a tranny? Maybe it was just an ugly girl? Did you do a package check?

I don't live in NC so couldn't get the cops to check. But, we're a pretty open place and folks wear their identities openly. No fear here.

Then there is no need to have trans men use the Ladies Room. No harm done.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Holy Shit! Just saw my first tranny walking out of the girlz bathroom. S/he kinda looked like Tilda Swinton.

I didn't hear any screaming from in there.

How do you know she was a tranny? Maybe it was just an ugly girl? Did you do a package check?

I don't live in NC so couldn't get the cops to check. But, we're a pretty open place and folks wear their identities openly. No fear here.

Then there is no need to have trans men use the Ladies Room. No harm done.

So don't require it by legislation like NC did. Problem SOLved.

 

[Raz'r]

Then there is no need to have trans men use the Ladies Room. No harm done.

So don't require it by legislation like NC did. Problem SOLved.

Exactly. They use the bathroom. Whichever one is appropriate. Done.

 

[Rockdog]

So.... again. What is wrong with a normal guy (not a trannie) using the girl's locker room to dress and shower?

Would he be dangling his dick in front of them like he would in front of the boys?

If he's walking he'll be dangling.

 

[Rockdog]

So.... again. What is wrong with a normal guy (not a trannie) using the girl's locker room to dress and shower?

It will upset Rockdog's daughters

No, it will upset rockdog

Rockdog has never claimed he would be upset by a trans guy in his locker room. He is only concerned about his daughters and the feeling of others like them.They would be upset by seeing a penis or having to undress in front of someone who has a penis.

Please try to keep up

FYI

I am pretty certain this link is a different Rockdog

Probably

I guess

Well, maybe

http://heyyou62.tumblr.com/post/109177864179/my-celebrity-porn-sara-kulka-nude-pictures

And Rockdog's daughter's upset is of no consequence and must be subordinated to the transperson's upset at not being able to use whatever facility they feel like.

Yep. They are saying my daughter's - which are similar to the vast majority of rwomen and girls - do not count, are fucked up in the head, and are lessor persons. Fuck anyone who thinks my daughter's -or anyone elses - should HAVE to undress and shower with males if they don't want to.

 

[Raz'r]

Yep. They are saying my daughter's - which are similar to the vast majority of rwomen and girls - do not count, are fucked up in the head, and are lessor persons. Fuck anyone who thinks my daughter's -or anyone elses - should HAVE to undress and shower with males if they don't want to.

Imagine if someone said they should! Just imagine the outrage!

 

[Guest]

And Rockdog's daughter's upset is of no consequence and must be subordinated to the transperson's upset at not being able to use whatever facility they feel like.

When a tranny with dangly bits is in Rockdog's daughter's locker room AND the administration forces Rockdog's daughter (at gunpoint?) to undress, then I think we'll have an issue.

Imagine!

Imagine that you're missing the fucking goddamn point!

NO one claimed anyone is forcing the daughter to change in front of a tranny. But now the roles are reversed..... no one previously forced the tranny to change in the boys locker room either. But they got their way and now they can go naked in the girls locker room. So what happens now to the daughter who wants to take a shower and change into her school clothes after sweating during an hour of PE or after a sports practice? She was fine before but now she's not happy nor comfortable changing in her own goddamned locker room. What's her remedy? What's her accommodation? Suck it up, fatty?

 

[Raz'r]

And Rockdog's daughter's upset is of no consequence and must be subordinated to the transperson's upset at not being able to use whatever facility they feel like.

When a tranny with dangly bits is in Rockdog's daughter's locker room AND the administration forces Rockdog's daughter (at gunpoint?) to undress, then I think we'll have an issue.

Imagine!

Imagine that you're missing the fucking goddamn point!

NO one claimed anyone is forcing the daughter to change in front of a tranny. But now the roles are reversed..... no one previously forced the tranny to change in the boys locker room either. But they got their way and now they can go naked in the girls locker room. So what happens now to the daughter who wants to take a shower and change into her school clothes after sweating during an hour of PE or after a sports practice? She was fine before but now she's not happy nor comfortable changing in her own goddamned locker room. What's her remedy? What's her accommodation? Suck it up, fatty?

talk to the coaches and administration and ask for accommodation. just like before. what's the issue?

 

[slatfatf]

So then the straight kids who are uncomfortable have to use private facilities? That was kind of what I was getting to. Once you need to provide private facilities for all the kids who might feel uncomfortable, you are going to end up with private facilities for all. If the school already does that, no big deal. If they don't, get ready for a giant shovel ready project and a big honking tax increase. Not the end of the world, but certainly an unintended consequence.

 

[βhyde]

Did Jeff just call you fat?

 

[Raz'r]

So then the straight kids who are uncomfortable have to use private facilities? That was kind of what I was getting to. Once you need to provide private facilities for all the kids who might feel uncomfortable, you are going to end up with private facilities for all. If the school already does that, no big deal. If they don't, get ready for a giant shovel ready project and a big honking tax increase. Not the end of the world, but certainly an unintended consequence.

Imagine if I said that! (straight kids need to use private facilities)

I don't know what the school will determine to do. Maybe it will make separate shower stalls, impossible to tell. I'll trust the locals to figure it out.

Did Jeff just call you fat?

heh heh heh

 

[Guest]

And Rockdog's daughter's upset is of no consequence and must be subordinated to the transperson's upset at not being able to use whatever facility they feel like.

When a tranny with dangly bits is in Rockdog's daughter's locker room AND the administration forces Rockdog's daughter (at gunpoint?) to undress, then I think we'll have an issue.

Imagine!

Imagine that you're missing the fucking goddamn point!

NO one claimed anyone is forcing the daughter to change in front of a tranny. But now the roles are reversed..... no one previously forced the tranny to change in the boys locker room either. But they got their way and now they can go naked in the girls locker room. So what happens now to the daughter who wants to take a shower and change into her school clothes after sweating during an hour of PE or after a sports practice? She was fine before but now she's not happy nor comfortable changing in her own goddamned locker room. What's her remedy? What's her accommodation? Suck it up, fatty?

talk to the coaches and administration and ask for accommodation. just like before. what's the issue?

Why? Why should the girls be forced from their own locker room for one confused shemale? What if it was more than one of the girls in the locker room? What if its a majority? Where do you draw the line before the trannies rights are not the priority anymore?

Ultimately there's only two solutions here long term.

Option #1: You either have 4 bathrooms/showers in every school and gov't building

1. male
2. female
3. trans male
4. trans female

Or Option #2: you have one for everyone.

the only problem with option 1 above is then the Queers are going to want their own BR. And then the hermaprodites will want their own. And then the blacks will also want their own, because they need to stay at the forefront of the race war...... etc.

 

[Raz'r]

And Rockdog's daughter's upset is of no consequence and must be subordinated to the transperson's upset at not being able to use whatever facility they feel like.

When a tranny with dangly bits is in Rockdog's daughter's locker room AND the administration forces Rockdog's daughter (at gunpoint?) to undress, then I think we'll have an issue.

Imagine!

Imagine that you're missing the fucking goddamn point!

NO one claimed anyone is forcing the daughter to change in front of a tranny. But now the roles are reversed..... no one previously forced the tranny to change in the boys locker room either. But they got their way and now they can go naked in the girls locker room. So what happens now to the daughter who wants to take a shower and change into her school clothes after sweating during an hour of PE or after a sports practice? She was fine before but now she's not happy nor comfortable changing in her own goddamned locker room. What's her remedy? What's her accommodation? Suck it up, fatty?

talk to the coaches and administration and ask for accommodation. just like before. what's the issue?

Why? Why should the girls be forced from their own locker room for one confused shemale? What if it was more than one of the girls in the locker room? What if its a majority? Where do you draw the line before the trannies rights are not the priority anymore?

Ultimately there's only two solutions here long term.

Option #1: You either have 4 bathrooms/showers in every school and gov't building

1. male
2. female
3. trans male
4. trans female

Or Option #2: you have one for everyone.

the only problem with option 1 above is then the Queers are going to want their own BR. And then the hermaprodites will want their own. And then the blacks will also want their own, because they need to stay at the forefront of the race war...... etc.

option #3 that you conveniently forget:

Don't do anything differently than before, and handle case by case

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

option #3 that you conveniently forget:


Don't do anything differently than before, and handle case by case

But you are missing the point. Nobody can protect our children from Ebola!

 

[slatfatf]

So then the straight kids who are uncomfortable have to use private facilities? That was kind of what I was getting to. Once you need to provide private facilities for all the kids who might feel uncomfortable, you are going to end up with private facilities for all. If the school already does that, no big deal. If they don't, get ready for a giant shovel ready project and a big honking tax increase. Not the end of the world, but certainly an unintended consequence.

Imagine if I said that! (straight kids need to use private facilities)

I don't know what the school will determine to do. Maybe it will make separate shower stalls, impossible to tell. I'll trust the locals to figure it out.

Did Jeff just call you fat?

heh heh heh

I was not implying that is what you said, but there are not a lot of options, and that is how schools have dealt with the issue up until now. The difference is that the people who might feel uncomfortable are now part of the 99% not the 1%, which makes using the nurses office impractical. Of course I am speculating as to what will happen, I don't have a crystal ball, however using what we know about the past to speculate how a new regulation or a change to an existing regulation will play out is not a bad idea. We should think about all the potential consequences, both good and bad, intended and unintended. You can't do that without indulging your imagination just a little bit.

 

[Gouvernail]

Nope.

There have been a number of recent mainstream

Media Sixty Minutes style reports about little boys living as girls.

The last one I watched told a story of a little kid who seemed to get along pretty well with his mostly girl friends.

I don't think your little girls have a little boy / girl friend. I am simply playing the odds. There aren't that many.

My guess is if the little boy in the CBS story I did see was among your daughter's closest friends, you would be just another compassionate adult who would do his best to help the kid get through the process of growing up.

His little weenie might well turn out to be the least of your concerns about your daughter's various friends.

I believe undressing in the same room as the kid in the CBS report would be a whole lot different to your daughter than undressing in front of a guy.

And I think you are only under rating her comprehension of the world in an attempt to make a point.

Last:

I really think you need to meet at least one trans girl before you continue ranting about the things you believe they will do and the way people will react to them.

All I can tell you from my own experience is "trans girls sure as hell are not like any guys I have ever known."

They think they are women

Really

99% of your concerns will go away when you understand who or what us a trans girl.

They just are not like guys

Saw those stories as well. Very young kids whoes concept of 'girl' or 'boy' is not based on genitalia. There comes an age when it becomes a factor to them.
Explain how a young girl can tell the difference between a naked trans boy standing next to her in the shower and a normal boy.

They attend the same school. They talk. She knows him her and has previously interacted dressed.

 

[Raz'r]

So then the straight kids who are uncomfortable have to use private facilities? That was kind of what I was getting to. Once you need to provide private facilities for all the kids who might feel uncomfortable, you are going to end up with private facilities for all. If the school already does that, no big deal. If they don't, get ready for a giant shovel ready project and a big honking tax increase. Not the end of the world, but certainly an unintended consequence.

Imagine if I said that! (straight kids need to use private facilities)

I don't know what the school will determine to do. Maybe it will make separate shower stalls, impossible to tell. I'll trust the locals to figure it out.

Did Jeff just call you fat?

heh heh heh

I was not implying that is what you said, but there are not a lot of options, and that is how schools have dealt with the issue up until now. The difference is that the people who might feel uncomfortable are now part of the 99% not the 1%, which makes using the nurses office impractical. Of course I am speculating as to what will happen, I don't have a crystal ball, however using what we know about the past to speculate how a new regulation or a change to an existing regulation will play out is not a bad idea. We should think about all the potential consequences, both good and bad, intended and unintended. You can't do that without indulging your imagination just a little bit.

I'll wait for a real case before I get outraged.. Tranny!