The serious transgender bathroom issue discussion

Gouvernail

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The locker room issue should absolutely be decided at the local level. It has been, but now it won't be. Thank NC for that. because now we will get a one size fits all decision.
You are incorrect. The federal courts ruled on this issue prior to NC.
Cite please.
Seriously? Where you been the past couple years?
Nice answer!!

So you made it up!!

Just admit it.

 

Gouvernail

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The agenda IMHO, is to force social acceptance of what I think is considered by many to be deviant behavior, and to force that acceptance thru legislation. (ie. expansion of protected classes to include behaviors, hate speech laws, etc).

Do what you want - that doesn't mean that anyone else should have to pretend to like or abide by that behavior.
Only fools consider the problem to be mental.

The soul is the soul. The problem happens when the wrong body grows around that soul.

Any Trans girl or trans boy will tell you they are in therefore body.

It is no different than having birth marks, curly hair when you want straight hair, brunette when you want blonde, or being a dwarf when you want to play football.

The physiology is screwed up.

Nobody is suggesting sending boys into girls' showers. the Trans girls are girls, they just happen to have the wrong bodies.

 

Dog

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The agenda IMHO, is to force social acceptance of what I think is considered by many to be deviant behavior, and to force that acceptance thru legislation. (ie. expansion of protected classes to include behaviors, hate speech laws, etc).

Do what you want - that doesn't mean that anyone else should have to pretend to like or abide by that behavior.
Only fools consider the problem to be mental.

The soul is the soul. The problem happens when the wrong body grows around that soul.

Any Trans girl or trans boy will tell you they are in therefore body.

It is no different than having birth marks, curly hair when you want straight hair, brunette when you want blonde, or being a dwarf when you want to play football.

The physiology is screwed up.

Nobody is suggesting sending boys into girls' showers. the Trans girls are girls, they just happen to have the wrong bodies.
Fools like this?

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

You have it all wrong, a boy with gender dysphoria is a boy and will never be a girl. A girl with gender dysphoria is a girl and always will be. It's stupid to rearrange established social norms to cater to a disorder afflicting .3% of the population. We need an accommodation but this is not it.

 
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Raz'r

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The agenda IMHO, is to force social acceptance of what I think is considered by many to be deviant behavior, and to force that acceptance thru legislation. (ie. expansion of protected classes to include behaviors, hate speech laws, etc).

Do what you want - that doesn't mean that anyone else should have to pretend to like or abide by that behavior.
Only fools consider the problem to be mental.

The soul is the soul. The problem happens when the wrong body grows around that soul.

Any Trans girl or trans boy will tell you they are in therefore body.

It is no different than having birth marks, curly hair when you want straight hair, brunette when you want blonde, or being a dwarf when you want to play football.

The physiology is screwed up.

Nobody is suggesting sending boys into girls' showers. the Trans girls are girls, they just happen to have the wrong bodies.
Fools like this?

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

You have it all wrong, a boy with gender dysphoria is a boy and will never be a girl. A girl with gender dysphoria is a girl and always will be. It's stupid to rearrange established social norms to cater to a disorder afflicting .3% of the population. We need an accommodation but this is not it.
fuck I hate the CNS news website. How can you take so much spam?

 

Gouvernail

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The agenda IMHO, is to force social acceptance of what I think is considered by many to be deviant behavior, and to force that acceptance thru legislation. (ie. expansion of protected classes to include behaviors, hate speech laws, etc).

Do what you want - that doesn't mean that anyone else should have to pretend to like or abide by that behavior.
Only fools consider the problem to be mental.The soul is the soul. The problem happens when the wrong body grows around that soul.

Any Trans girl or trans boy will tell you they are in therefore body.

It is no different than having birth marks, curly hair when you want straight hair, brunette when you want blonde, or being a dwarf when you want to play football.

The physiology is screwed up.

Nobody is suggesting sending boys into girls' showers. the Trans girls are girls, they just happen to have the wrong bodies.
Fools like this?http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

You have it all wrong, a boy with gender dysphoria is a boy and will never be a girl. A girl with gender dysphoria is a girl and always will be. It's stupid to rearrange established social norms to cater to a disorder afflicting .3% of the population. We need an accommodation but this is not it.
There you go again.

You are looking at it backasswards

The minds are the healthy correct part.

The body is the part which is growing improperly

 

Spatial Ed

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There you go again.

You are looking at it backasswards

The minds are the healthy correct part.

The body is the part which is growing improperly
The body is just a vessel for the soul. A life support container to maintain the soul until the afterlife. Too many are focusing on the container and not the contents.

 

Raz'r

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this thread is dead ended.

You either believe that a transgender person is really what they say they are - or you dont

canards about straight pervs taking advantage of a situation are just that, pervs, and should be treated accordingly.

Like the gays, if you know a transgender, or have met one or many, you'll be more compassionate.

If you think it's deviant or a sickness, you won't.

The US got along fine for a couple hundred years before TRANNY! became the latest outrage du jour. Like BENGHAZI and EBOLA! before it.

Hell - in some cultures, transgenders are celebrated - and the world doesn't end.

Teach your kids to be tolerant of diversity and go on with life. Or don't, and be bitter and outraged. Your choice.

 

Sol Rosenberg

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this thread is dead ended.

You either believe that a transgender person is really what they say they are - or you dont

canards about straight pervs taking advantage of a situation are just that, pervs, and should be treated accordingly.

Like the gays, if you know a transgender, or have met one or many, you'll be more compassionate.

If you think it's deviant or a sickness, you won't.

The US got along fine for a couple hundred years before TRANNY! became the latest outrage du jour. Like BENGHAZI and EBOLA! before it.

Hell - in some cultures, transgenders are celebrated - and the world doesn't end.

Teach your kids to be tolerant of diversity and go on with life. Or don't, and be bitter and outraged. Your choice.
Party pooper. Before you know it, the only group we'll be able to discriminate against will be apes.

 

Dog

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The agenda IMHO, is to force social acceptance of what I think is considered by many to be deviant behavior, and to force that acceptance thru legislation. (ie. expansion of protected classes to include behaviors, hate speech laws, etc).

Do what you want - that doesn't mean that anyone else should have to pretend to like or abide by that behavior.
Only fools consider the problem to be mental.The soul is the soul. The problem happens when the wrong body grows around that soul.

Any Trans girl or trans boy will tell you they are in therefore body.

It is no different than having birth marks, curly hair when you want straight hair, brunette when you want blonde, or being a dwarf when you want to play football.

The physiology is screwed up.

Nobody is suggesting sending boys into girls' showers. the Trans girls are girls, they just happen to have the wrong bodies.
Fools like this?http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

You have it all wrong, a boy with gender dysphoria is a boy and will never be a girl. A girl with gender dysphoria is a girl and always will be. It's stupid to rearrange established social norms to cater to a disorder afflicting .3% of the population. We need an accommodation but this is not it.
There you go again.

You are looking at it backasswards

The minds are the healthy correct part.

The body is the part which is growing improperly
Yeah sure..... The former head of psychiatry at the nation's top hospital has it wrong but you, a guy who repairs boats for a living, has it right.

 
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Spatial Ed

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this thread is dead ended.

You either believe that a transgender person is really what they say they are - or you dont

canards about straight pervs taking advantage of a situation are just that, pervs, and should be treated accordingly.

Like the gays, if you know a transgender, or have met one or many, you'll be more compassionate.

If you think it's deviant or a sickness, you won't.

The US got along fine for a couple hundred years before TRANNY! became the latest outrage du jour. Like BENGHAZI and EBOLA! before it.

Hell - in some cultures, transgenders are celebrated - and the world doesn't end.

Teach your kids to be tolerant of diversity and go on with life. Or don't, and be bitter and outraged. Your choice.
Party pooper. Before you know it, the only group we'll be able to discriminate against will be apes.
With extreme prejudice.

There you go again.

You are looking at it backasswards

The minds are the healthy correct part.

The body is the part which is growing improperly
Yeah sure..... The former head of psychiatry at the nation's top hospital has it wrong but you, guy who repairs boats for a living, has it right.
Dog, is the person the soul or the body?

 

A guy in the Chesapeake

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Sol like many, is attempting to conflate not requiring the 97.3% to provide dispensation for the .3%'s disorder with discrimination.

He's free to do so, just like I'm free to point out that physiology matters.

That the kid in the wheelchair might have a hard time keeping up with the other kids on the track field doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed on the field, nor does it mean that the other student athletes should be required to compete in wheelchairs to assuage the wheelchair bound kid's feelings. Special, appropriate accommodations to ensure that the wheelchair bound kid has access are accepted - ramps, elevators, wide/auto doors, etc.

If the kid feels odd using those special accommodations - are we to eliminate them in deference to that kids feelings?

 

Dog

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this thread is dead ended.

You either believe that a transgender person is really what they say they are - or you dont

canards about straight pervs taking advantage of a situation are just that, pervs, and should be treated accordingly.

Like the gays, if you know a transgender, or have met one or many, you'll be more compassionate.

If you think it's deviant or a sickness, you won't.

The US got along fine for a couple hundred years before TRANNY! became the latest outrage du jour. Like BENGHAZI and EBOLA! before it.

Hell - in some cultures, transgenders are celebrated - and the world doesn't end.

Teach your kids to be tolerant of diversity and go on with life. Or don't, and be bitter and outraged. Your choice.
I reject the notion that recognizing the disorder for what it is and treating it as a disorder is not compassionate.

“policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention.” Dr. Paul R. McHugh

 

Dog

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this thread is dead ended.

You either believe that a transgender person is really what they say they are - or you dont

canards about straight pervs taking advantage of a situation are just that, pervs, and should be treated accordingly.

Like the gays, if you know a transgender, or have met one or many, you'll be more compassionate.

If you think it's deviant or a sickness, you won't.

The US got along fine for a couple hundred years before TRANNY! became the latest outrage du jour. Like BENGHAZI and EBOLA! before it.

Hell - in some cultures, transgenders are celebrated - and the world doesn't end.

Teach your kids to be tolerant of diversity and go on with life. Or don't, and be bitter and outraged. Your choice.
Party pooper. Before you know it, the only group we'll be able to discriminate against will be apes.
With extreme prejudice.

There you go again.

You are looking at it backasswards

The minds are the healthy correct part.

The body is the part which is growing improperly
Yeah sure..... The former head of psychiatry at the nation's top hospital has it wrong but you, guy who repairs boats for a living, has it right.
Dog, is the person the soul or the body?
Both

 

slatfatf

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this thread is dead ended.

You either believe that a transgender person is really what they say they are - or you dont

canards about straight pervs taking advantage of a situation are just that, pervs, and should be treated accordingly.

Like the gays, if you know a transgender, or have met one or many, you'll be more compassionate.

If you think it's deviant or a sickness, you won't.

The US got along fine for a couple hundred years before TRANNY! became the latest outrage du jour. Like BENGHAZI and EBOLA! before it.

Hell - in some cultures, transgenders are celebrated - and the world doesn't end.

Teach your kids to be tolerant of diversity and go on with life. Or don't, and be bitter and outraged. Your choice.
How do you determine who is a perv and who is a genuine transgendered person? There is no test, there is no way to identify outside of the word of the person in question. It would certainly make the issue simpler if there were a simple and conclusive way to identify which is which, but there is not. Wishing there was, or pretending there is, is not going to change that.

Separately, I don't think telling the Hassidic woman she needs to be tolerant of diversity and accept the transgendered woman with a penis naked next to her while she is changing is going to fly. Of course we could just take all the religious people, round them up, and burn them at the stake. That will help diversity.

 

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ACLU LEADER QUITS AFTER DAUGHTERS ENCOUNTER MEN IN THE WOMEN’S RESTROOM

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Maya Dillard Smith, interim director of the Georgia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, has resigned over the ACLU’s position on who can use which public restrooms. The resignation occurred after her two daughters were traumatized by encountering men in the women’s restroom. Dillard Smith explained:



I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school age daughters into a women’s restroom when shortly after three transgender young adults, over six feet [tall] with deep voices, entered. My children were visibly frightened, concerned about their safety and left asking lots of questions for which I, like many parents, was ill-prepared to answer.



Dillard Smith complained that the ACLU has become “a special interest organization that promotes not all, but certain progressive rights” and that the “hierarchy of rights” the ACLU chooses to defend or ignore is “based on who is funding the organization’s lobbying activities.” Further expressing her disillusionment, Dillard Smith stated:

I understood it to be the ACLU’s goal to delicately balance competing rights to ensure that any infringements are narrowly tailored, that they do not create a hierarchy of rights, and that we are mindful of unintended consequences. I believe there are solutions that can provide accommodations for transgender people and balance the need to ensure women and girls are safe from those who might have malicious intent.

Unfortunately, as she has learned, Dillard Smith’s view of the ACLU bears little relation to reality. The ACLU’s goal — like that of the LGBT movement — is to shove a radical agenda down the throats of the American people, not to balance rights and find reasonable accommodations.

A transgender activist — a biological male who goes by the name Cheryl Courtney-Evans — responded to Dillard Smith’s resignation by calling her “lazy,” “ill-educated,” and a “b–ch” who needs to sit down and “STFU.” No one who has seen LGBT activists in action will be surprised by this charming response.

Actually, Dillard Smith is well educated. She earned a degree in economics from Berkeley and a master’s degree at Harvard.

She’s also a liberal Democrat. And until she resigned, she was one of the youngest ACLU directors in the nation and one of only three African-Americans employed by the ACLU in that role.

These days, one hears intelligent people assert that the “culture war” is over. It isn’t, and won’t be soon, because the left will keep looking for new cultural battlegrounds. Today, public restrooms; tomorrow, the world.


 
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Raz'r

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Sol like many, is attempting to conflate not requiring the 97.3% to provide dispensation for the .3%'s disorder with discrimination.

He's free to do so, just like I'm free to point out that physiology matters.

That the kid in the wheelchair might have a hard time keeping up with the other kids on the track field doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed on the field, nor does it mean that the other student athletes should be required to compete in wheelchairs to assuage the wheelchair bound kid's feelings. Special, appropriate accommodations to ensure that the wheelchair bound kid has access are accepted - ramps, elevators, wide/auto doors, etc.

If the kid feels odd using those special accommodations - are we to eliminate them in deference to that kids feelings?
Imagine if there was something like an ADA. IMAGINE!

 




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