The Third Booster Shot Debate - Are U going to get the booster?

[Chief Stipe]

Of course you being the self-proclaimed scientific expert has stratified/normalised all the country data to come up with a valid comparison. Or do you assume that the USA is the same as a country like Denmark with regard to those factors.

Some of the highest USA death rates were in New York City - why was that?

 

[Chief Stipe]

In other words, "Yes a percentage of asymptomatic infected persons can pass on the virus. But only if they shed the virus and at a high viral load." is a way of repeating what I just said but still insisting I was wrong? In other words, yes it is settled science

It isn't settled. There is evidence indicating that asymptomatic Covid-19 infected persons can pass on the infection. But a large proportion don't. THAT'S what isn't anywhere near settled. There hasn't been any quantification and correlation with the PCR test.

The assumption made by you and many others is:
PCR Test = positive therefore all persons with a positive PCR are infected and can infect others. The data suggests otherwise.

 

[Chief Stipe]

BTW if you are infected with the virus, you will shed the virus.

No. How do you measure infected?

 

[Raz'r]

Of course you being the self-proclaimed scientific expert has stratified/normalised all the country data to come up with a valid comparison. Or do you assume that the USA is the same as a country like Denmark with regard to those factors.

Some of the highest USA death rates were in New York City - why was that?

Early infection site, no tests available, no vaccines available.

 

[Steam Flyer]

BTW if you are infected with the virus, you will shed the virus.

No. How do you measure infected?

How many times have you chased your tail around this circle? It's obvious that you don't really know what a virus is, or what it does.

 

[Steam Flyer]

It isn't settled. There is evidence indicating that asymptomatic Covid-19 infected persons can pass on the infection. But a large proportion don't. THAT'S what isn't anywhere near settled. There hasn't been any quantification and correlation with the PCR test.

The assumption made by you and many others is:
PCR Test = positive therefore all persons with a positive PCR are infected and can infect others. The data suggests otherwise.

All the data I see suggests exactly that. Public health results suggest exactly that.

You can stomp your widdle feetsies and shout NO NO NO all you want, but that doesn't make it "data"

 

[Marinatrix447]

As Joe Rogan and most of free thinking world [what’s left of it] already well knew.

https://www.cureus.com/articles/111...ubjects?email_share=true&expedited_modal=true

Horse paste always worked…. as did HCQ if used early enough.

But why the efficacy data suppression and removal of medical licences of any Doctors that dared prescribe it, all this globally coordinated in draconian lockstep?

Likewise who would suppress important studies such as this?

https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/causality-article.pdf

“Their findings of spike expression nine months out from [taking the vaccine] support either genomic integration of the mRNA coding the spike protein into the genome of the cells shown expressing it, or, that the synthetically modified messenger RNA is remaining stable within these cells months after it was supposed to be degraded,”

Winters coming and for the rolling Reset to gain further traction we need well… how does one put this new normal delicately… far fewer folk onboard the SS Gaia, Greta knows it makes total sense.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/sustained-as-yet-unheard-of-excess

Booooosters!

#depop/defrag

 

[Marty Gingras]

Winters coming and for the rolling Reset to gain further traction we need well… how does one put this new normal delicately… far fewer folk onboard the SS Gaia, Greta knows it makes total sense.

Please, tell us more about the Rolling Reset.

 

[Raz'r]

As Joe Rogan and most of free thinking world [what’s left of it] already well knew.

https://www.cureus.com/articles/111...ubjects?email_share=true&expedited_modal=true

Horse paste always worked…. as did HCQ if used early enough.

But why the efficacy data suppression and removal of medical licences of any Doctors that dared prescribe it, all this globally coordinated in draconian lockstep?

Likewise who would suppress important studies such as this?

https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/causality-article.pdf

“Their findings of spike expression nine months out from [taking the vaccine] support either genomic integration of the mRNA coding the spike protein into the genome of the cells shown expressing it, or, that the synthetically modified messenger RNA is remaining stable within these cells months after it was supposed to be degraded,”

Winters coming and for the rolling Reset to gain further traction we need well… how does one put this new normal delicately… far fewer folk onboard the SS Gaia, Greta knows it makes total sense.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/sustained-as-yet-unheard-of-excess

Booooosters!

#depop/defrag

Are you taking your ivermectin? Why not?

 

[Marty Gingras]

As Joe Rogan and most of free thinking world [what’s left of it] already well knew.

https://www.cureus.com/articles/111...ubjects?email_share=true&expedited_modal=true

We dealt with this 'study' and it's conflicted authors starting with post #762. Are you an ignorant troll?

 

[Steam Flyer]

... Joe Rogan ....

We dealt with this 'study' and it's conflicted authors starting with post #762. Are you an ignorant troll?

Because RWNJ propaganda is better than actual science. You gotta BEEEeeeLLLiieeEEEve!!!

 

[JiffyLube]

I agree with this. He is a discredited bitter old man who gets away with his BS because he looks like Santa Klaus.

He was among the earlier researchers of mRNA but fell out with colleagues because he felt he wasnt getting enough recognition.He backed another horse. When mRNA started to show real promise , he spent years trying to get credit as the father of mRNA (he wasnt the first to research mRNA nor did he make all the breakthroughs), then changed course again and found a profitable niche as a media figure speaking out against mRNA. For someone who used to be a genuine scientist, he now appears on you tube talk shows speaking utter nonsense.

As you rightly point out, unreliable and 35 years out of date.

Thank you for that information. I think anyone that wants to take the mRNA vaccines should take them (I took the original series voluntary), but I do not think people should be mandated to take anything.

 

[EYESAILOR]

Thank you for that information. I think anyone that wants to take the mRNA vaccines should take them (I took the original series voluntary), but I do not think people should be mandated to take anything.

That is a larger topic than this thread.

There are a number of mandated vaccines in this country and around the world. Yellow Fever, Cholera, Polio etc. You should start a separate thread somewhere to explain your opposition to those.

However the Covid vaccine is not universally mandated in the USA. Employers,event organizers, clubs, cruise ships, schools and even stores can require proof of vaccination. This is a free country and if an employer wants to employ only persons with up-to-date vaccinations, they are free to do so. Its the American way. If a sailing regatta specifies an vaccine certificate in the NoR then they are free to do so. An NOR cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race or religion but , in the USA at least, we are at liberty to set our own conditions of entry with health terms. In China, it might be different.

If you are scared of mRNA vaccines or dont feel comfortable with the science, there are several covid vaccinations that are not based on mRNA technology. There are several more on the way. For a variety of reasons, none of them appeal to me but they might be right for you. Its a free country.

 

[JiffyLube]

That is a larger topic than this thread.

There are a number of mandated vaccines in this country and around the world. Yellow Fever, Cholera, Polio etc. You should start a separate thread somewhere to explain your opposition to those.

However the Covid vaccine is not universally mandated in the USA. Employers,event organizers, clubs, cruise ships, schools and even stores can require proof of vaccination. This is a free country and if an employer wants to employ only persons with up-to-date vaccinations, they are free to do so. Its the American way. If a sailing regatta specifies an vaccine certificate in the NoR then they are free to do so. An NOR cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race or religion but , in the USA at least, we are at liberty to set our own conditions of entry with health terms. In China, it might be different.

If you are scared of mRNA vaccines or dont feel comfortable with the science, there are several covid vaccinations that are not based on mRNA technology. There are several more on the way. For a variety of reasons, none of them appeal to me but they might be right for you. Its a free country.

Like most threads they begin one way, and can drift off in another direction. My first reply to this thread was all I wanted to say, but I allowed myself to get dragged a little deeper. Thankfully America is still a free country.

 

[hasher]

Of course I am going to get my next booster. I hate sickness a little less than when I break my bones. My bones have healed but I still fucking hate getting sick.

 

[Raz'r]

Thank you for that information. I think anyone that wants to take the mRNA vaccines should take them (I took the original series voluntary), but I do not think people should be mandated to take anything.

Other than China, I don’t know of anyone forced to be vaccinated. Consequences for decisions is very common.

 

[Terry Hollis]

Other than China, I don’t know of anyone forced to be vaccinated. Consequences for decisions is very common.

I don't think Covid-19 vaccination is mandated in China, I have a friend in Shanghai who has resisted being vaccinated so far.

 

[EYESAILOR]

Other than China, I don’t know of anyone forced to be vaccinated. Consequences for decisions is very common.

The USA does not mandate a covid vaccination.
However the USA does mandate vaccines against a variety of diseases for immigration and travel depending on where you are traveling to and from. The list is quite long, around 12 from memory.

All 50 states and DC mandate vaccination for polio.

If a fatal variant of covid appeared with a much higher mortality rate then it would certainly be considered by States and the Federal government. However what we have discovered during this pandemic is that the federal system of government, with various public health responsibilities divided between states and feds is not effective during a nationwide pandemic. Federal law prevents the states acting quickly to install their own public health measures. Vice versa, state rights hamper federal efforts. All the time, the virus paid no attention to state lines .

Layered on top of this was a new phenomena, the politicization of public health. I know I am going to offend everyone but both sides of the political spectrum share responsibility for this, left and right. History will observe that a major factor of the Covid 19 pandemic is that it arrived in the US in the run up to a bitter presidential election. When our political activists and elected officials should have put politics aside to address a common threat, they were unable to do so.

Every step along the way, instead of asking what is the right thing to do? or what are the right risks to take?, both Democrats and Republicans instead asked themselves "what are the political implications and what political advantage can be gained" The activists on both sides were blind sided by hate, adopting positions on public health with no regard for the common good.

Until we recognize and acknowledge this breakdown in civic responsibility, and like alcoholics admit our flaws, we are not going to be able to fix it.

 

[EYESAILOR]

Like most threads they begin one way, and can drift off in another direction. My first reply to this thread was all I wanted to say, but I allowed myself to get dragged a little deeper.

I hear you Jiffy.

It is kinda annoying but fun at the same time .

Each morning, I swear I am not going to post on SA today.......and that I have said all I have to say on the topic, and then....

 

[Steam Flyer]

I actually am interested in hearing from informed people who disagree with me. The disappointing part is when it's the same angry parrots who keep screeching the same bullshit over and over and over.

The USA does not mandate a covid vaccination.
However the USA does mandate vaccines against a variety of diseases for immigration and travel depending on where you are traveling to and from. The list is quite long, around 12 from memory.

All 50 states and DC mandate vaccination for polio. ...

It really depends on what you call a "mandate." Allowing employers and other private groups to decide for themselves whether they can exclude people who aren't vaccinated? That's not a "mandate" IMHO. All decisions and choices have consequences. It is certainly not "freedom" to force citizens to expose themselves to greater risk of disease and death.

...
Every step along the way, instead of asking what is the right thing to do? or what are the right risks to take?, both Democrats and Republicans instead asked themselves "what are the political implications and what political advantage can be gained" The activists on both sides were blind sided by hate, adopting positions on public health with no regard for the common good.

Until we recognize and acknowledge this breakdown in civic responsibility, and like alcoholics admit our flaws, we are not going to be able to fix it.

Do you really see Democratic Party activists motivated by hatred, trying to gain an advantage? From where I'm sitting, all I see is trumpalos hollering about their beliefs and insisting that it is blind fascism attempting to force -any- sensible public health policy on the public. They often paint a picture of wild far-leftie activists gleefully forcing vaccines on people despite overwhelming evidence that vaccines are killing people. The truth is that just like all the midwest red state farmers who were still devoted to Trump after his trade war bankrupted them, there are unfortunately millions of trumpalos who blame The Left for their family dying of covid.