The Third Booster Shot Debate - Are U going to get the booster?

accnick

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Christina Pushaw



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How about a link to the entire statement, so we can get the whole picture?

In FL, the governor has been urging everyone and his dog with any coronavirus symptoms to get the “free” monoclonal antibody treatment as soon as the have a sniffle or test positive.

It’s a shame he won’t put the same effort into pushing for vaccinations.

Each treatment cost the taxpayers about $6500, vs less than $50 for a vaccination.

Both are “free” to the consumer. 

 

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How about a link to the entire statement, so we can get the whole picture?

In FL, the governor has been urging everyone and his dog with any coronavirus symptoms to get the “free” monoclonal antibody treatment as soon as the have a sniffle or test positive.

It’s a shame he won’t put the same effort into pushing for vaccinations.

Each treatment cost the taxpayers about $6500, vs less than $50 for a vaccination.

Both are “free” to the consumer. 
More than half of the sick folks were vaccinated 

Is this clear ?

 

Wess

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They voted against recommending approval for a broad Pfizer booster shot on the basis that there was not enough data yet to justify giving a booster to the general population.
OK lets run with this for a moment.

Months ago now Biden was out announcing a government program of covid vaccine boosters for all (over 16).  Even mandating covid vaccines and vaccine passports.  Still is..  But "not enough data" you say? Even before the data was sent to FDA Biden announced his plan and political lap dog Fauci was right there barking up the same tree and still is.

ALL WITHOUT DATA!

FDA Directors of the vaccine program RESIGNED over this.  The expert panel voted overwhelmingly AGAINST the Biden/Fauci plan (over lack of data you say). 

  * So tell me again why anyone who can fog a mirror would trust anything Biden and Fauci say?

  * What does it take for you needle pushers to admit you were wrong?

I have to laugh when you can't figure out why there is vaccine hesitancy.  Uh DUH... because you are a bunch of lying sacks of shit and eventually truths makes it way out. 

 

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OK lets run with this for a moment.

Months ago now Biden was out announcing a government program of covid vaccine boosters for all (over 16).  Even mandating covid vaccines and vaccine passports.  Still is..  But "not enough data" you say? Even before the data was sent to FDA Biden announced his plan and political lap dog Fauci was right there barking up the same tree and still is.

ALL WITHOUT DATA!

FDA Directors of the vaccine program RESIGNED over this.  The expert panel voted overwhelmingly AGAINST the Biden/Fauci plan (over lack of data you say). 

  * So tell me again why anyone who can fog a mirror would trust anything Biden and Fauci say?

  * What does it take for you needle pushers to admit you were wrong?

I have to laugh when you can't figure out why there is vaccine hesitancy.  Uh DUH... because you are a bunch of lying sacks of shit and eventually truths makes it way out. 
This is a very confused rant and barely worth responding to.

Here are the facts:-

The FDA advisory panel voted 17-4 in favor of approving the use of the Pfizer mRNA vaccine for 16 and older.

The FDA advisory panel voted unanimously if favor of a booster shot for those that are 65 and older + higher risk categories.

The FDA advisory panel voted 16-2 against a booster shot for those 16-64

How you choose to politicize those facts is up to you.

 

accnick

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More than half of the sick folks were vaccinated 

Is this clear ?
So, guess what?

Christina Pushaw, source of that "statistic", is the Press Secretary for Florida governor Ron DeSantis. DeSantis is pushing monoclonal antibody treatments rather than vaccinations, as he has serious presidential ambitions, and doesn't want to be seen as actively promoting vaccinations, since half or more of the Republican base is anti-vax.

While the vaccines are very effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying, they do not prevent all infections

Here is who is eligible for treatment in Florida right now (this is from the Florida Department of Health website today):

"Monoclonal antibody treatments can be prescribed by health care providers to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 and who have been exposed to someone with COVID-19 and are at high risk for severe illness and hospitalization.

However, to support Governor DeSantis’ initiative, there is currently a standing order in Florida signed by the State Surgeon General that allows patients to receive this treatment without a prescription or referral if administered by an eligible health care provider. Such referrals are not required at any of the State of Florida monoclonal antibody treatment sites and treatments are available at no cost to patients."

In other words, right now in FL you can walk in and get a "free" monoclonal antibody treatment at any official treatment site, whether or not you have COVID, just by saying you may have been exposed and you want the treatment. No questions asked.

Florida has been using a highly disproportionate amount of the monoclonal antibody treatments available in the US, in large part because DeSantis wants to be seen as the savior of the state's vulnerable. He won't push cheap vaccinations that have full FDA approval, but will push an expensive treatment that is not fully-approved as long as it is paid for by the federal government.

It is a cynical political ploy.

Florida has been using so much of the available supply that the CDC is taking over the distribution, rather than allowing the states to go straight to the manufacturer. The CDC will allocate the amount to each state based on current infection rates and the ability to utilize the treatment supply.

Of course, DeSantis is (as are other Florida politicians) screaming that it is Joe Biden out to punish Florida for voting for DeSantis and Trump, and is trying to make DeSantis look bad.

I wonder whose behavior DeSantis is modeling?

 
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So, guess what?

Christina Pushaw, source of that "statistic", is the Press Secretary for Florida governor Ron DeSantis. DeSantis is pushing monoclonal antibody treatments rather than vaccinations, as he has serious presidential ambitions, and doesn't want to be seen as actively promoting vaccinations, since half or more of the Republican base is anti-vax.

While the vaccines are very effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying, they do not prevent all infections

Here is who is eligible for treatment in Florida right now (this is from the Florida Department of Health website today):

"Monoclonal antibody treatments can be prescribed by health care providers to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 and who have been exposed to someone with COVID-19 and are at high risk for severe illness and hospitalization.

However, to support Governor DeSantis’ initiative, there is currently a standing order in Florida signed by the State Surgeon General that allows patients to receive this treatment without a prescription or referral if administered by an eligible health care provider. Such referrals are not required at any of the State of Florida monoclonal antibody treatment sites and treatments are available at no cost to patients."

In other words, right now in FL you can walk in and get a "free" monoclonal antibody treatment at any official treatment site, whether or not you have COVID, just by saying you may have been exposed and you want the treatment. No questions asked.

Florida has been using a highly disproportionate amount of the monoclonal antibody treatments available in the US, in large part because DeSantis wants to be seen as the savior of the state's vulnerable. He won't push cheap vaccinations that have full FDA approval, but will push an expensive treatment that is not fully-approved as long as it is paid for by the federal government.

It is a cynical political ploy.

Florida has been using so much of the available supply that the CDC is taking over the distribution, rather than allowing the states to go straight to the manufacturer. The CDC will allocate the amount to each state based on current infection rates and the ability to utilize the treatment supply.

Of course, DeSantis is (as are other Florida politicians) screaming that it is Joe Biden out to punish Florida for voting for DeSantis and Trump, and is trying to make DeSantis look bad.

I wonder whose behavior DeSantis is modeling?
#TrumphausenbyProxy

Trump took Munchausen by Proxy, improved it, and turned it into a Trump brand!  Trump has granted this Trump branding license to DeDantis!  He’s no dummy!  The Ivy League must be so proud!

 

Raz'r

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Oh I agree; science will not stop politics. Biden has proven that beyond any shadow of a doubt. 
 

See that’s the thing. For all the crap thrown at the last administration - much of it deserved - this one is far far worse and frankly far more deceitful about it. Anyone would be a fool to listen to or trust a politician or anyone affiliated with one. Alas now a days everyone including the medical community is aligned with a political POV and wedded to its agenda.  Truth or science doesn’t really matter. And that my friend is why you have vaccine hesitancy. 
No, vaccine hesitancy today is the same as vaccine hesitancy from 20 years ago. Someone “publishes” some bullshit, and the folks who desperately want to not make a decision, grab it and go. It just spreads much faster now due to social.

 

slug zitski

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So, guess what?

Christina Pushaw, source of that "statistic", is the Press Secretary for Florida governor Ron DeSantis. DeSantis is pushing monoclonal antibody treatments rather than vaccinations, as he has serious presidential ambitions, and doesn't want to be seen as actively promoting vaccinations, since half or more of the Republican base is anti-vax.

While the vaccines are very effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying, they do not prevent all infections

Here is who is eligible for treatment in Florida right now (this is from the Florida Department of Health website today):

"Monoclonal antibody treatments can be prescribed by health care providers to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 and who have been exposed to someone with COVID-19 and are at high risk for severe illness and hospitalization.

However, to support Governor DeSantis’ initiative, there is currently a standing order in Florida signed by the State Surgeon General that allows patients to receive this treatment without a prescription or referral if administered by an eligible health care provider. Such referrals are not required at any of the State of Florida monoclonal antibody treatment sites and treatments are available at no cost to patients."

In other words, right now in FL you can walk in and get a "free" monoclonal antibody treatment at any official treatment site, whether or not you have COVID, just by saying you may have been exposed and you want the treatment. No questions asked.

Florida has been using a highly disproportionate amount of the monoclonal antibody treatments available in the US, in large part because DeSantis wants to be seen as the savior of the state's vulnerable. He won't push cheap vaccinations that have full FDA approval, but will push an expensive treatment that is not fully-approved as long as it is paid for by the federal government.

It is a cynical political ploy.

Florida has been using so much of the available supply that the CDC is taking over the distribution, rather than allowing the states to go straight to the manufacturer. The CDC will allocate the amount to each state based on current infection rates and the ability to utilize the treatment supply.

Of course, DeSantis is (as are other Florida politicians) screaming that it is Joe Biden out to punish Florida for voting for DeSantis and Trump, and is trying to make DeSantis look bad.

I wonder whose behavior DeSantis is modeling?
Florida has the same vaccination rate as the rest of the US 

 

Steam Flyer

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Florida has the same vaccination rate as the rest of the US 
That's a fucking lie.

There are places in the US that are approaching 90%, and smaller places above that.

Red states are below the average... Florida included.

Red states have much higher covid deaths.

Why is that, bullshitter?

- DSK

 

Kate short for Bob

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Red states have much higher covid deaths.

Why is that, bullshitter?
Because it isn't true.  

Deaths per Million Top 10 States have no relationship to Political Party.  So it is a pointless comparison.

Mississippi Red

New Jersey Blue

Louisiana Blue/Red

New York Blue

Alabama Red

Arizona Blue/Red

Massachusetts Blue

Rhode Island Blue

Arkansas Red

South Dakota Red

 

accnick

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That's a fucking lie.

There are places in the US that are approaching 90%, and smaller places above that.

Red states are below the average... Florida included.

Red states have much higher covid deaths.

Why is that, bullshitter?

- DSK
In fairness to Slug, as of yesterday, 66% of FL residents had received at least a first dose, and 50.4% are fully vaccinated.

Across all states, the average is 63.5% with at least the first dose, and 54.2% fully vaccinated.

Therefore, Florida is slightly below the US average when it come to the percentage of population that is fully vaccinated.

On a state-by-state basis, FL rates about 20th out of 50. Some southern states have truly dismal numbers.

Florida did well out of the box, as DeSantis prioritized those over 65, which is both a good chunk of the population and a reliable voting bloc.

He’s nobody’s fool, even if he acts like one.

 

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In fairness to Slug, as of yesterday, 66% of FL residents had received at least a first dose, and 50.4% are fully vaccinated.

Across all states, the average is 63.5% with at least the first dose, and 54.2% fully vaccinated.

Therefore, Florida is slightly below the US average when it come to the percentage of population that is fully vaccinated.

On a state-by-state basis, FL rates about 20th out of 50. Some southern states have truly dismal numbers.

Florida did well out of the box, as DeSantis prioritized those over 65, which is both a good chunk of the population and a reliable voting bloc.

He’s nobody’s fool, even if he acts like one.
No, there is a lot of evidence that he's not stupid at all. Which makes his fucking over the people of the state worse.

And if you look at covid deaths since the beginning of the pandemic, then there is not a very clear red-state slant. But if you look at the past 6 months, since the emergence of the vaccine, it's very clear.

The current list of death leaders, 3 of the top 15 are not red states. If you look at a 7-day moving average map, county by county, there is almost a 100% correlation of the worst counties being the Trump-iest.

Sweden by the same measure has done better than 40 USA States regardless of their political control.
?? WTF has Sweden got to do with it? Did many people in Sweden vote for Trump?

- DSK

 

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Because it isn't true.  

Deaths per Million Top 10 States have no relationship to Political Party.  So it is a pointless comparison.

Mississippi Red

New Jersey Blue

Louisiana Blue/Red

New York Blue

Alabama Red

Arizona Blue/Red

Massachusetts Blue

Rhode Island Blue

Arkansas Red

South Dakota Red
From https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/us-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-july-1.html

Here is a breakdown of average daily COVID-19 deaths and COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people over the last seven days in all 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C. The data was last updated Sept. 17.

Note: States are ranked by deaths per 100,000. The list includes ties. 

Florida
Deaths per 100,000: 1.69
Daily average deaths: 362.6


Mississippi
Deaths per 100,000: 1.42
Daily average deaths: 42.1


South Carolina
Deaths per 100,000: 1.34
Daily average deaths: 68.9


Idaho
Deaths per 100,000: 1.22
Daily average deaths: 21.9


Louisiana
Deaths per 100,000: 1.15
Daily average deaths: 53.4


Georgia
Deaths per 100,000: 1.12
Daily average deaths: 119.6


Arkansas
Deaths per 100,000: 1.07
Daily average deaths: 32.3


Texas
Deaths per 100,000: 1.03
Daily average deaths: 297.3


West Virginia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.99
Daily average deaths: 17.7


Wyoming
Deaths per 100,000: 0.96
Daily average deaths: 5.6


Alabama
Deaths per 100,000: 0.89
Daily average deaths: 43.4


Tennessee
Deaths per 100,000: 0.85
Daily average deaths: 58


Oklahoma
Deaths per 100,000: 0.84
Daily average deaths: 33.1


Kentucky
Deaths per 100,000: 0.76
Daily average deaths: 34


Seems pretty clear that places where there are a large number of dumbasses who voted for a born-rich multi-bankrupt TV star, and who are afraid to get vaccinated, are now suffering higher rates of disease and death.

Of course, they already were... map out infant mortality, for example, or rates of single-car accidents, or average SAT scores... and you'll get the same result. Covid just raised the stakes

- DSK

 

Kate short for Bob

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Deaths per 100,000: 1.69
Daily average deaths: 362.6
I don't know why you insist on turning the pandemic in to a polidemic but the figures you quoted (or rather the publication you quoted) is wrong.  It doesn't account for age distribution or seasonality or any other factor that affects the virus.  It is a seven day snapshot.

For example the total deaths per 100,000 for the entire pandemic for Florida is 237 yet the article says 1.69 for the week.  Surely that is a positive result?  

Not only that but the data the article quotes for Florida daily average deaths is wrong which puts the whole article in doubt.  The data from Ourworldindata, Worldometer and from the official Florida Gov data says it is lower than than that.  http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/covid19-data/covid19_data_latest.pdf

The average daily deaths for Florida have never been 362 for the entire pandemic!!!  Certainly not for the week that the article refers to i.e. 10 September to 17 September 2021.

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