Chief Stipe
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According to your theory you would approve as you assess them as whacko's and RWNJ's.
The Third Booster Shot Debate - Are U going to get the booster?
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By far. He fell for or was ordered to mislead us re masks because they'd be needed by care providers. He did a bad bad thing. Gotta think his time in job mattered with retirement imminent. It was still not OK. We all want to think we'd stand up to that kind of pressure but until you fuck around and find out ... Ya just don't know.
d'ranger
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It's easy to criticize someone in hindsight - N95s were in extremely short supply - the hospital people I knew got one per week. They and first responders who had to interact with people needed them and they wouldn't have been available if everyone went out and stocked up. It is really that simple. Now why they were in short supply is another story, a company in Dallas said they could produce a million a month but the regime at the time never called, uh, because they went to Jared.
Blaming Fauci is neither deserved nor called for not that it stops the nutjobs from trying to.
Blaming Fauci is neither deserved nor called for not that it stops the nutjobs from trying to.
Steam Flyer
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Depends on what kind of music you like. IIRC Fauci's record collection is mostly jazz and classical
Israel Hands
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If anyone wants an overview of what happened and why back then, just listen to Woodward's interview recordings with then-president Trump. He interviews him every few weeks and you get to hear from the horses mouth what his approach to Covid was.
Chief Stipe
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About your level of science understanding. I must admit you get full marks for doggedly standing firm on your dogma in face of increasingly overwhelming evidence that contradicts you.
Israel Hands
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40 minute commute/Audible on 1.2…easy!
The gem so far is Jared telling Woodward to look to the Cheshire Cat in order to understand Trump’s strategy- “When you don’t know where you’re going, any path will eventually get you there.”
We live in an age where truth truly is stranger than fiction.
Chief Stipe
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What about your ethics? Funded by Pharmaceutical companies perchance?
PeterSailor
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Back on subject, wife and I got flu and Pneumovax shots on Nov 1st. 5th covid shot scheduled to Dec 3th.
dogwatch
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Does anyone feel competent to assess https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/vaccine-heart-damage-and-the-warnings-brushed-aside/ ?
I know the author was appointed a "medical and science correspondent" without the burden of first acquiring any relevant degree and that his career as such was not without controversy or criticism. I also realise that "The Conservative Woman" does not necessarily apply rigorous editorial scrutiny. Since I am already aware of those warning bells, ideally, can we keep comments related to the papers he discusses please?
I know the author was appointed a "medical and science correspondent" without the burden of first acquiring any relevant degree and that his career as such was not without controversy or criticism. I also realise that "The Conservative Woman" does not necessarily apply rigorous editorial scrutiny. Since I am already aware of those warning bells, ideally, can we keep comments related to the papers he discusses please?
Marty Gingras
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The opinion piece is biased as hell and references a lot of scientific articles. I'll read at least the first several. I can speak to his mention of Gundry (an internet diet salesman with a silly shtick as well as Physician) because I've paid attention to that since it first came up. It was a poster presentation, had a hyperbolic title, got red-flagged then roundly criticized due to inaccuracies and other significant difficiencies, then got re-titled, cleaned up, and toned down. The top-line health-related criticism was that many/most vaccines cause the sort of responses he saw in his patients.
Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
How do you assess competency? It's not a bad article, a bit sensationalist; the biggest problem I see is that while the risk of adverse cardiac events from the covid vaccine is real, it does not exist in a vacuum. There are some patients with specific contra-indications, yes, good; for everyone else the risks that come with covid infection are far far greater.
I would think it worth mentioning, in an article that talks about immune response, that one of the odd things we don't understand about covid is why some people have a huge over-response from their immune system. Studies so far indicate that vaccination moderates the immune response, lowering risk of all sorts from that, not just cardiomyopathy.
Marty Gingras
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The first two papers he cited were (basically) opinion pieces about how to improve patient care. They seem quite legit but his loaded take on them was "Both papers still insist the problem is rare." Emphasis added.
The next paper he cited was by Japanese authors is pre-print and not peer reviewed. It was 'just' a statistical analysis and seemed quite legit. His take was fair but incomplete, because they reiterated that the incidence is quite low and cases resulting in death are vanishingly rare.
The next paper he cited ("A study from Switzerland, reported by Will Jones") wasn't actually a cite, it was a link to an opinion piece that had a link to a YouTube video by a Physician who talked about but was not affiliated with the study. He notes that the incidence is quite low and offers some legit reasons to keep looking hard at the matter. I didn't bother trying to access the actual article from Switzerland.
Over and over and over it's clear to me that the legit scientific/medical community is chugging along quite nicely on-topic, that the CDC and FDA are doing fine on-topic, and that social media/the internet spreads unwarranted fear on-topic.
The next paper he cited was by Japanese authors is pre-print and not peer reviewed. It was 'just' a statistical analysis and seemed quite legit. His take was fair but incomplete, because they reiterated that the incidence is quite low and cases resulting in death are vanishingly rare.
The next paper he cited ("A study from Switzerland, reported by Will Jones") wasn't actually a cite, it was a link to an opinion piece that had a link to a YouTube video by a Physician who talked about but was not affiliated with the study. He notes that the incidence is quite low and offers some legit reasons to keep looking hard at the matter. I didn't bother trying to access the actual article from Switzerland.
Over and over and over it's clear to me that the legit scientific/medical community is chugging along quite nicely on-topic, that the CDC and FDA are doing fine on-topic, and that social media/the internet spreads unwarranted fear on-topic.
EYESAILOR
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What about my ethics? I suspect they were inherited from my parents.
Work hard. Conduct yourself in an honest manner. If you borrow money, repay it. Do not bullshit others and do not take bullshit from others. Laughter is the best medicine. Keep your firearms in a safe. Success requires some failures. Celebrate one, accept the other. Don't trust door-to-door salesmen especially if they want to kiss your baby and earn your vote. Don't marry for money but dont fall in love with a loser. Support either the Green Bay Packers or the Pittsburgh Steelers not whoever is winning in a particular season . Loyalty and trust is everything.
Funding?
I had a public school education funded by the tax payers in a small town in Pennsylvania. My sister and I were the first generation in my family to go to college. Long before anyone invented Go-Fund-Me, the down payment for my first year at college was partially funded by a group of parents from my high school and neighborhood in a collection organized by the father of one of my friends. One of the contributors was a state senator that my parents had never voted for. They still didn't vote for him and he respected that. Years later when the families and the senator declined to be repaid, I made a donation to the town public library . My mother continues to decline to vote for the party of the senator and he (retired) continues to respect that.
Other than that I paid for my own education with loans and working the whole time I was at college. Through undergraduate , medical school and my fellowship at Harvard, I worked...weekends, nights and vacations.
The day that I completed my fellowship, I hung up my own shingle. I have never worked for or been funded by anyone else than myself. 85% of my revenue is my own practice and a co-owned surgery center. I am also on staff at two hospitals and naturally I charge for that. I occasionally get paid by legal firms to appear as an expert witness and I occasionally get paid by academic research organizations (who are in turn funded by pharma) for work related to drug or device development. The lawyers pay better and take less of my time. They know that my testimony will be objective and independent. The research is not commercial for me....I could make more money in 45 minutes in the OR....but it is very occasional , is interesting, and keeps me sharp and up-to-date in my chosen field.
I could have made more money by emphasizing different things in my professional life but I married a good man, I like sailing , I like seeing patients and I liked being a doctor. A lot has changed in the last 3 years and the profession offers less job satisfaction and is a lot harder to make work fiscally. I dont envy the young people coming out of medical school today but I treasure my independence.
You are welcome to challenge my views.....but if you want to challenge my ethics, you are already on weak ground.
solosailor
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You mean Freedumb Fighters ON media platforms continue to spread lies and warp facts to their beliefs.
I personally suffered from autoimmune myocarditis from a bout of the regular old flu when I was 19. Lifetime effects. Sucks really. Had another bout, from some unknown virus trigger, a couple years ago, right in the middle of the first covid spike. Wasn't covid, some other virus. Takes a bit longer to heal when you are in your mid-50s.
The reason I point this out is that yes, there are cases of autoimmune myocarditis from the vaccine. But there is a 11X GREATER likelihood of autoimmune myocarditis from the virus itself.
But, don't take my word for it:
COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines
The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.
