ShortForBob
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The Voice. An Australian referendum
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charisma94
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Except... so rare as not to exist in English.though crepidarian is a very rare adjective meaning “pertaining to a shoemaker”.
Rushman
FIIGS
Not a silly question in my view, so my vote will have to be NO until all details are provided
ShortForBob
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It's Greek
ShortForBob
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That's fare enough. I think Albo was trying to simply get the constitutional change up and work out the details later.
To avoid the shit that went down and nixed our last referendum change. (so, we kept the Queen)
A bit naïve, but he's walked it back.
Albanese shifts and says parliament will debate Voice details before referendum
The prime minister says parliament will work out key details of the Voice before a referendum is held, amid calls for more detail about the proposal.
We'll just have to wait and see. It won't be before 2024 in my Crepidarian opinion.
It's a no win situation. Give details and the noise and misinformation will tear it down, Give no details? ditto.
I just hope Australians can get together on this like in 1967.
I think it was Menzies that said changing the Constitution in Australia was like pushing shit uphill, or words to that effect
charisma94
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Greek??? Oh for heavens sake. Like you even speak Greek...
But wrong again. Latin I'm afraid...
Sutor, ne ultra crepidam is a Latin expression meaning literally "Shoemaker, not beyond the shoe", used to warn individuals not to pass judgment beyond their expertise. The expression led to the term ultracrepidarianism, which is the giving of opinions and advice on matters outside of one's knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutor,_ne_ultra_crepidam
This was exhausting... Out.
ShortForBob
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Oh for heaven's sake back at ya
Though the greek word for shoe is papoutsi.
(I did know that)
Crepidam derives from Greek krepis, a shoe; it has no link with words like decrepit or crepitation (which are from Latin crepare, to creak, rattle, or make a noise) or crepuscular (from the Latin word for twilight), though crepidarian is a very rare adjective meaning “pertaining to a shoemaker”.
World Wide Words: Ultracrepidarian
An extremely rare word with classical associations, 'ultracrepidarian' was first used by the essayist William Hazlitt.
It's prolly Krep anyway
ShortForBob
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Here you go.
A Krepis.
Krepis, Κρηπίς , Foundation, or a kind of shoe; a base , that which holds the feet (θεμέλιος, ἢ εἶδος ὑποδήματος: ὑποβάθρα. ἡ τοὺς πόδας κρατοῦσα.)
Thank you, I've learned another two Greek words. Krepis, not very useful, and sandali (origin of sandal) also greek.
A Krepis.
Krepis, Κρηπίς , Foundation, or a kind of shoe; a base , that which holds the feet (θεμέλιος, ἢ εἶδος ὑποδήματος: ὑποβάθρα. ἡ τοὺς πόδας κρατοῦσα.)
Thank you, I've learned another two Greek words. Krepis, not very useful, and sandali (origin of sandal) also greek.
Recidivist
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One man's lived experience is another (wo)man's misinformation.
FFS, most of the problems that require solving arose from the 1967 referendum!
Alcohol is the reason for the majority of (horrific) domestic violence.
Alcohol is the reason for the majority of child neglect.
Alcohol is the reason for the majority of child abuse.
Alcohol is the reason for the majority of health issues.
Alcohol is the reason for the majority of indigenous housing that is trashed and rendered uninhabitable, contributing greatly to overcrowding.
Alcohol is the reason for the majority of indigenous unemployment.
Alcohol is the reason for the majority of crime committed by aboriginal persons.
Alcohol is the reason for the majority of negative sentiment toward indigenous Australians (have you been greeted on a daily basis as "you fucking white cunt"?).
The vast majority of sly grog running (and drug supply) in remote communities is done by aboriginal persons.
Should I go on?
And I am just one of the many white people who would (and have) employ an aboriginal person who came to me and said "I'd like a job", to try to improve that person's (and his or her group's) lot.
A challenge for anyone who wants to take it up is to calculate how many billions have been spent on indigenous issues in Australia in the last, say 50 years, and measure the benefits that have flowed to the people the expenditure was intended to help.
Now speak to me again about "the voice". No thanks.
LB 15
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Meli triple downing on her stupidity and googling madly to try and save face. She truly is pathetic.
Happy
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Recidivist has obviously lived in the NT.
I've been to many outback communities, and it's a grim picture. The only real beneficiaries of the Voice idea will be the usual suspects who are already on the Professional Aborigine gravy train. They couldn't give a flying fuck about the bush mob.
I've been to many outback communities, and it's a grim picture. The only real beneficiaries of the Voice idea will be the usual suspects who are already on the Professional Aborigine gravy train. They couldn't give a flying fuck about the bush mob.
Recidivist
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46 years in Darwin, plus much time in Tennant Creek and Nhulunbuy before that. Plus time in Whyalla and Ceduna and including circumnavigating and criss-crossing Australia by car over many years, plus, plus.
Agree totally on the gravy train. Galarruy Yunupingu is a classic. In exchange for a unit in a new development (built by Sammy De Souza) in Smith Street West, GY (as senior TO for the Gove peninsula) gave SdS exclusive rights to sell fuel from the Gove port (I was actually helping a mate do some work on SdS's prawn trawlers at the time, and was told this by that mate). That same year, GY was awarded Australian of the year, and has since added an AM to his collection of gongs, while apparently accumulating an additional 8 houses (IIRC) on top of his Dhrimmy head mansion, each house accommodating (so I am told) young girls who seem to be one of his peccadillos.
IMHO, Gatjil Djerrkurra was the only real honest leader in the Yolngju area, but he died relatively young and indigenous development and advancement in the area (which was genuinely ground-breaking) died with him. Sad.
Edit: I have worked a couple of times with Yingili Mark Guyula, member of Parliament for the Gove Peninsula. A very quiet man who I feel is manipulated by white advisors. At one point I advised him that if he dropped the "ambit claim" aspect, his object (which would have achieved something for his people) could have succeeded in the Parliament. That didn't happen, and his Bill was defeated, so the problem for his people remains unresolved. Progress?
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ShortForBob
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but what's that got to do with the 67 referendum?
Alcohol causes all those issues in all communities. Especially poor, overcrowed and hopeless communities.
The question is why do people drink to excess?
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ShortForBob
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Wouldn't that be why we need a reset?
In a limited way, I do get the problem. I held the ATSIC portfolio for Comcare in the 90's and saw first hand some of the the nepotism problems.
The point of The Voice is to represent the "bush" mobs.
New start, open mind?
Final Report | Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice
Consultation and engagement
There were opportunities for all Australians to provide their thoughts on the proposals either online or in person at 67 locations around Australia. Other ways to provide feedback included stakeholder meetings, webinars, submissions and an online survey.Feedback overwhelmingly supported the need for an Indigenous Voice and validated the core proposals for Local & Regional Voices and a National Voice put forward by the co-design groups in the Interim Report.
Other key themes from consultation included:
- a desire for consultation and co-design to continue through implementation.
- calls for the Indigenous Voice to have security and longevity.
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ShortForBob
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There's been a massive amount of consultation gone into this. Dont throw it away with cynicism
Public consultations took place in more than 60 locations around the country and online. Summaries from each public consultation are available below.
Every effort has been made to capture the conversation and feedback that was provided without identifying individuals from sessions.
If you have any questions or concerns regarding the summaries, or require any further assistance please contact [email protected].
Public consultations took place in more than 60 locations around the country and online. Summaries from each public consultation are available below.
Every effort has been made to capture the conversation and feedback that was provided without identifying individuals from sessions.
If you have any questions or concerns regarding the summaries, or require any further assistance please contact [email protected].
Summaries of consultation sessions
ShortForBob
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This is from the Wadeye sessions.
Please read it.
Please read it.
Ease the sheet.
ignoring stupid people is easy
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It seems like the last 200 odd years of white men telling black men how to live has been problematic.
LB 15
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LB 15
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If those commenting on this thread are a fair cross section of how Australians feel about this nonsense, then it seem only Meli the moron and her secret admirer ETS are in agreement, which means it will be rightfully and convincingly kicked to the curb in a referendum.
What a waste of time, money and interwebs. Seems there is more to a discussion than cut and pasting ABC drivel.
What a waste of time, money and interwebs. Seems there is more to a discussion than cut and pasting ABC drivel.
00seven
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Meanwhile SfB copies reams of BS that she hasn’t read and posts them up as “proof”of her”expertise” in the field
