The Voice. An Australian referendum

[ShortForBob]

I think the referendum will fail.

I read a story (was it here?) where someone asked an first nations advocate if the 1967 referendum would succeed if it happened today. They answered no.

The reason was that "There are no more racists than there were then, but they are better organised"

I hope you're wrong.
After the work and good will put in by indigenous people, it it fails, it will set things back to the times of the Eumeralla wars.

 

[Goodvibes]

I hope you're wrong.
After the work and good will put in by indigenous people, it it fails, it will set things back to the times of the Eumeralla wars.

I hope I'm wrong too.

The people who will vote NO, across history have been fucking murderers. The disgusting Aussie term "Gin-Jockey' was not coined for a once off raid in the black community. These were people too fucking ugly to get a root from any decent white women.

There was most likely some planning into which houses some of the half-white children went ... like into daddies place.

 

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But but but Rando, we've spent good taxpayer money to let them stay in their remote communities, nothing we do makes them behave, nothing we tell them changes their entrenched blackfella ways, how much more are we expected to pay?. Seriously, what would they do with a voice of their own if we were fooling enough to let them have a voice?




I think I'll go have a shower.

Australia Day: a long perspective from 65,000 BCE - Pearls and Irritations

Barry Jones' Australia day speech covers pertinent historic points from 65,000 BCE to 2023 and why it's time for the Voice.

johnmenadue.com

 

[Ease the sheet.]

Australia Day: a long perspective from 65,000 BCE - Pearls and Irritations

Barry Jones' Australia day speech covers pertinent historic points from 65,000 BCE to 2023 and why it's time for the Voice.

johnmenadue.com

Barry is a national treasure.

Incredibly smart man.

 

[ShortForBob]

Australia Day: a long perspective from 65,000 BCE - Pearls and Irritations

Barry Jones' Australia day speech covers pertinent historic points from 65,000 BCE to 2023 and why it's time for the Voice.

johnmenadue.com

I didn't feel the need to use the purple sarcasm font.

 

[Goodvibes]

I didn't feel the need to use the purple sarcasm font.

Speaking of sarcasm ... has LB cracked the shits with us?

 

[ShortForBob]

Speaking of sarcasm ... has LB cracked the shits with us?

It's hard to tell with him.

 

[Recidivist]

I do like how all the violence, drunkenness and assaults in Alice and other places is all the fault of everyone except the people actually getting drunk, bashing people and stealing shit.

And how if only the Voice was implemented, none of that would ever have happened.

Almost enough to get me to vote it up, on the strict understanding that if Govt implements what the Voice people recommend, they OWN the results. But I know they'll still blame everyone else, so - no.
. Sorry. I can't support you there.
The whole thing is a huge no win. If strict alcohol and finance controls are imposed on a race basis, that is absolutely racial discrimination and those adversely affected who DON'T do the shit have every right to be affronted. As a sorta libertarian type, I'd agree with them.

OTOH if everyone shrugs and says 'Can't discriminate, sort it yourselves' then the result is rapidly unliveable communities. As we see in Alice and other places.

And if we DO round up all the offenders and jail them, the screams of over-representation and racial discrimination in the 'Justice' system once again rise up to the heavens.

So - fuck it. Cut off the booze to Alice and other places in total. Everyone goes dry. We haven't tried that yet, let's see how that plays out. I reckon I know, but it'd be an interesting experiment in enforcing a limited prohibition. The smugglers should make a motza.

FKT

You were going well until the last paragraph. Sorry, I can't support you there - except for the last bit - that's quite correct, and it's why the rest is unsupportable. And guess who the smugglers are ...

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

You were going well until the last paragraph. Sorry, I can't support you there - except for the last bit - that's quite correct, and it's why the rest is unsupportable. And guess who the smugglers are ...

Yeah it was tongue in cheek - never happen and if by chance it WAS tried, it'd be a dismal failure as prohibition simply does not work, never has and never will. Mind you this is only local prohibition so - maybe.

Long term the likely outcome is a massive number of deaths followed by a 2nd generation suffering from FAS perpetuating the cycle, repeat until the survivors learn not to drink to excess. Multi-generational problem, when I've read about the drinking & conditions in 19C England the poor suffered from the same shit.

Mind you I'm pretty sure we're actually in the 3rd or 4th generation now.

Stop being poor? Sure, that can be done. First people need to move somewhere there's infrastructure and jobs, which isn't going to happen in those remote communities and there's no way known the general population is going to pay for & build clinics, hospitals, power plants, water & sewage treatment plants, schools and other infrastructure in every small settlement. We can't even send trained people, already tried that, can't even keep nurses who are there doing their best for the population safe. And can't have coppers with guns keeping the peace because they react badly to being threatened with weapons.

I'd love to see what people from the communities actually suggest is tried and how/if that fits into non-discrimination on race. Which is why I facetiously suggested restrictions on geographic areas because then it doesn't matter what your ancestry is, live inside those boundaries and it's no booze for you.

Except it won't work. But it'd be different. So fuck it.

FKT

 

[Alhadder]

Auntie has also published another article on the Voice. This time by Jane Norman. She started her trade here in Albany. Didn't think much of her back then but she was pretty green around the edges. She's obviously done alright for herself working her way up to political correspondent in Canberra.

Anyway here's the link

Campaign against Voice to Parliament gains high-profile politicians

A group of high-profile Indigenous Australians has banded together with a former deputy prime minister to co-ordinate the No campaign ahead of this year's Voice referendum, running on the slogan "Recognise a Better Way".

www.abc.net.au

 

[ShortForBob]

Auntie has also published another article on the Voice. This time by Jane Norman. She started her trade here in Albany. Didn't think much of her back then but she was pretty green around the edges. She's obviously done alright for herself working her way up to political correspondent in Canberra.

Anyway here's the link

Campaign against Voice to Parliament gains high-profile politicians

A group of high-profile Indigenous Australians has banded together with a former deputy prime minister to co-ordinate the No campaign ahead of this year's Voice referendum, running on the slogan "Recognise a Better Way".

www.abc.net.au

Interesting.

There will be many different opinions and many lines crossed and recrossed before this is done.
That's a good thing.

Mr Anderson, who chaired a Recognition review panel in 2014, said the No Case Committee would be "mounting the case for No, from an Aboriginal perspective" and he did not expect any "formal linkage" with right-wing groups such as Advance Australia which were also campaigning against the Voice.

 

[ShortForBob]

Oh dear.
Looks like Mundine fucked up again.
Christ the man's a snake.

Peak multicultural body criticises Voice opponents' 'divisive' push for recognition of migrants

Supporters of the "no" campaign for an Indigenous Voice to Parliament have urged for Indigenous people and migrants to be constitutionally recognised.

www.sbs.com.au

The head of Australia’s peak body representing people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds has called the push for constitutional recognition of migrants by those against an Indigenous Voice to Parliament "offensive" and "divisive".
As the group leading the "no" vote unveiled its campaign against enshrining an Indigenous Voice to Parliament, Recognise A Better Way, organiser Warren Mundine said the group would advocate for broader recognition in the constitution for Indigenous people.
Mr Mundine, a former Labor Party national president and Liberal candidate, said while Indigenous people should be recognised in the constitution, other groups of people should have the same opportunity.
Federation of Ethnic Communities’ Councils of Australia (FECCA) chief executive Mohammad Al-Khafaji said the push for recognition of migrants in the constitution in the context of the upcoming referendum was "divisive" and "offensive".
“We never asked for migrants to be recognised in the constitution,” Mr Al-Khafaji wrote on Twitter on Monday.
“Trying to wedge migrant communities on the referendum by using that as an argument not only won't work, but it's offensive to our community's intelligence.
"This is not being done in good faith and it's divisive.”

 

[ShortForBob]

So.
Lets examine the first formal "NO" Group

Who have we got
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price-Spokeswoman for far right "Advance Australia"
Warren Mundine- All round "I'll sell my mother, wife and kids to get a job in Canberra and suck Tony's Dick . I'll also speak for all Australian migrants (except the white ones)
Gary Johns - Senior fellow IPA, President of the Bennelong Society, Tobacco lobbyist and all round not nice person.
John Anderson. Old Money squattocracy .Thinks "The Voice " is a TV talent show and he doesn't think Aborigines should be allowed to sing in Parliament

 

[Alhadder]

Oh dear.
Looks like Mundine fucked up again.
Christ the man's a snake.

Peak multicultural body criticises Voice opponents' 'divisive' push for recognition of migrants

Supporters of the "no" campaign for an Indigenous Voice to Parliament have urged for Indigenous people and migrants to be constitutionally recognised.

www.sbs.com.au

The head of Australia’s peak body representing people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds has called the push for constitutional recognition of migrants by those against an Indigenous Voice to Parliament "offensive" and "divisive".
As the group leading the "no" vote unveiled its campaign against enshrining an Indigenous Voice to Parliament, Recognise A Better Way, organiser Warren Mundine said the group would advocate for broader recognition in the constitution for Indigenous people.
Mr Mundine, a former Labor Party national president and Liberal candidate, said while Indigenous people should be recognised in the constitution, other groups of people should have the same opportunity.
Federation of Ethnic Communities’ Councils of Australia (FECCA) chief executive Mohammad Al-Khafaji said the push for recognition of migrants in the constitution in the context of the upcoming referendum was "divisive" and "offensive".
“We never asked for migrants to be recognised in the constitution,” Mr Al-Khafaji wrote on Twitter on Monday.
“Trying to wedge migrant communities on the referendum by using that as an argument not only won't work, but it's offensive to our community's intelligence.
"This is not being done in good faith and it's divisive.”

Meh sounds like a deflection move that deserves no traction, but reported by SBS due to their demographic.

 

[ShortForBob]

Meh sounds like a deflection move that deserves no traction, but reported by SBS due to their demographic.

It's referred to in the link you posted.


"In a sign the group could be eyeing migrant communities, Mr Mundine said he believed constitutional recognition should be broadened to include "the migrants and refugees" who had "contributed to this country".

This is despite the Federation of Ethnic Communities' Councils of Australia (FECCA) firmly backing a "First Nations Voice" in the constitution.

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When that position was put to him, Mr Mundine said: "I think all Australians should be recognised for their contribution to this country."

 

[ShortForBob]

I'd love to see what people from the communities actually suggest is tried and how/if that fits into non-discrimination on race.

Ah, my little attempt at a record of events is vindicated.
See post 195

 

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currently the referendum has a snow flakes in hell .

fault is due to initial , say yes and us pollies will fill in the details later .

rant and rave all you want , the above is exactly where it is at .

 

[Goodvibes]

Oh dear.
Looks like Mundine fucked up again.
Christ the man's a snake.

Peak multicultural body criticises Voice opponents' 'divisive' push for recognition of migrants

Supporters of the "no" campaign for an Indigenous Voice to Parliament have urged for Indigenous people and migrants to be constitutionally recognised.

www.sbs.com.au

The head of Australia’s peak body representing people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds has called the push for constitutional recognition of migrants by those against an Indigenous Voice to Parliament "offensive" and "divisive".
As the group leading the "no" vote unveiled its campaign against enshrining an Indigenous Voice to Parliament, Recognise A Better Way, organiser Warren Mundine said the group would advocate for broader recognition in the constitution for Indigenous people.
Mr Mundine, a former Labor Party national president and Liberal candidate, said while Indigenous people should be recognised in the constitution, other groups of people should have the same opportunity.
Federation of Ethnic Communities’ Councils of Australia (FECCA) chief executive Mohammad Al-Khafaji said the push for recognition of migrants in the constitution in the context of the upcoming referendum was "divisive" and "offensive".
“We never asked for migrants to be recognised in the constitution,” Mr Al-Khafaji wrote on Twitter on Monday.
“Trying to wedge migrant communities on the referendum by using that as an argument not only won't work, but it's offensive to our community's intelligence.
"This is not being done in good faith and it's divisive.”

I heard him interviewed on the ABC yesterday.

He was directly asked who is funding the NO Campaign. He said he knew but was not going to say even after being repeatedly asked for details. What a corrupt cunt. Must be direct decendants of the Native Police units that hunted down other tribes.

But I felt better knowing that this will flush all the Lydia's and Mundine's out, either way no one will trust them on either side. They can take their nest eggs and fuck off.

 

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ALbo is a music lover/DJ.

Surely he can do a remix on this one. Gives me goosebumps, it would work well with a small tweak to replace the 'barrel of a gun" line. I can imagine the bagpipes bouncing off the Didgeridoos.

Next month the media blitz will start. It will need to be a good one to over come the spend against it. Hope it works.

 

[ShortForBob]

currently the referendum has a snow flakes in hell .

fault is due to initial , say yes and us pollies will fill in the details later .

rant and rave all you want , the above is exactly where it is at .

Well if that's your impression of how it was introduced (and I didn't get that impression at all)
You are intelligent enough to walk it back and wait.
Once again, there are two parts to this.
1) the wording in the referendum it'self, simply stating in a simple sentence that their will be an indigenous body to advise Parliaments on indigenous issues.
2) the actual legislation that creates the form of that body. THIS can be altered at any time by any government if something is not working (or working too well)

Wait and see.