The Voice. An Australian referendum

[LB 15]

There it's is in fucking black and white.

Thank you for contacting 'LB's pre-loved Bridges.' We have a wide selection of iconic bridges to choose from. And we can do a really good deal if you are willing to throw in a blowjob.


I promise I won't come in your mouth...

 

[The Dark Knight]

I'm no longer sure if you are actually stupid, too lazy to think about what you write, or deliberately trolling.
60 million year old culture?

Hahahahahaha did she really write 60 million. Just when you think she couldn't get more stupid.

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

I actually do not object to Constitutional recognition of indigenous prior occupancy of the land. If the question was "do you agree that there should be a preamble to the Constitution that says "This Constitution recognises the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as the original occupants of the land before British settlement"?" I could probably support that. But we disagree in relation to the "Voice".

This. Could add "and the land was taken without their consent" and I'd still support it - that's a fact.

Anyway I'd reckon this is going to fail judging by the level of vitriol, personal attacks and intellectual rigor we see here.

As for why I think the thing needs to be very heavily weighted to remote communities, that's where the worst problems are. Urban & suburban, nothing there worse than any other Aussie has to face in growing up, getting an education and a decent job. I know a fair bunch who are in that category.

FKT

 

[The Dark Knight]

This thread shows exactly why this is just whitey tokenism by the uninvolved. Look how bent out of shape fucktard meli is about it and she has never met an Abo in her life. As a soap dodger she probably has some guilt about the way her people treated them. As an Australian I have nothing to feel guilty about.
Maybe we should do the right thing by the Blackfellas and throw all the pommy cunts out.

She probably has, after all she "works" at the St.Kilda library. They will come in from time to time to use the toilets.

 

[The Dark Knight]

You have been sending me anal cream?

Creeeee peeeeee.

did he offer to apply it for you?

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

Not sure that they need to be from a small community, a rider that they must actually be representative of the people they are speaking for would be good enough for me.

Rather than the "the voice may make suggestions, and the government of the day may listen", I'd rather see something along the lines that 'the Voice' (and that is a stupid name for a body of people!) must produce an annual report on the state of aborigional people, and the government must table a response to that report.

At the moment, the proposed change is a bit like how we negotiate what's for dinner with the kids. Sometimes they come and put forward an argument for icecream cake for dinner. We pretend to listen, and then cook the stirfry we were always going to have. The kids may petition, and we may listen.

Not going to happen that way. The pollies always know best. Look at the debacle with removing alcohol restrictions as an example.

And the basics card.

Mind you I am actually in agreement from an anti-discrimination and racial neutrality POV. Restricting only people with aboriginal ancestry is discriminatory and racist.

So let it rip and they kill themselves off with avoidable diseases. But I take no responsibility for that outcome. Not my problem. Sooner or later the fact that actions have consequences becomes impossible to ignore. Lot of bodies can get stacked up first though.

FKT

 

[00seven]

 

[The Dark Knight]

Lol...

So if you voted the Green ticket in the Senate in 2020, you'd be happy to know that the Bikie Mole will remain in the Senate until 2028 even though she no longer represents the ticket you voted for.

At least with the house of reps, some people will vote for the perso rather than the party they represent.

 

[ShortForBob]

I'm no longer sure if you are actually stupid, too lazy to think about what you write, or deliberately trolling.
60 million year old culture? Maybe primates were just starting to emerge back then. Or are you claiming that aborigional culture is at the level of the earliest primates? That seems a bit racist.

Oh, and when you say "I posted this report", it's generally considered good form to provide a link to the report.

There is certainly a whole lot of vitriol, now with a dose of taking one's bat and ball and going home, in response to the simple question of "how does the constitutional change actually achieve the outcome?"

You see, why should I bother when all you can do is pick on a typo.
At the start of this thread, I posted all the official reports and documents published by the relevant parties for your referral, I was obviously stupid to think that this topic would be important enough for people to take seriously. Just go back to the OP and look.
But no, just more silly games.
If you'd bothered to read even 10 of the reports from the communities and were serious about this, you wouldn't be picking on Typos.
You bet I'm taking my bat and ball and going home.
All this rival team can do is sledge.

 

[Goodvibes]

No wonder Grumpy hates his dad.

 

[Se7en]

You see, why should I bother when all you can do is pick on a typo.
At the start of this thread, I posted all the official reports and documents published by the relevant parties for your referral, I was obviously stupid to think that this topic would be important enough for people to take seriously. Just go back to the OP and look.
But no, just more silly games.
If you'd bothered to read even 10 of the reports from the communities and were serious about this, you wouldn't be picking on Typos.
You bet I'm taking my bat and ball and going home.
All this rival team can do is sledge.

Are you referring to the Uluru statement stuff?
You see - when you just say 'this report' without specifying, it is quite ambiguous.
You're right, I didn't read 200 reports. For a start there is only about a dozen of them.

None of them specify what it is they want from constitutional change other than (paraphrasing) for Britain to make it right after invading.

How does the proposed change achieve that?
(This is a question, not a sledge. It's the same one I started with)

Oh - 60 million rather than 60 thousand is one hell of a typo.
(that was a sledge)

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

None of them specify what it is they want from constitutional change other than (paraphrasing) for Britain to make it right after invading.

How does the proposed change achieve that?
(This is a question, not a sledge. It's the same one I started with)

And that is exactly what I'd like to know and I've wanted to know from the start.

The lack of answers is why there's no chance I'll vote yes until answers are forthcoming. I don't support constitutional change on a 'trust me' basis. Past experience has clearly demonstrated that politicians cannot be trusted. All of them.

Whether deliberate or just due to fuzzy-headed feel-good patronising mindset, this caper has the serious risk of introducing a permanent racial bias into Australian politics and power structures going forward, whereby 3% of the population have special representation and the political power coming therefrom that the other 97% don't have and cannot ever get, simply because of their birth circumstances.

Contrast that with the current situation, where pretty much anyone who's prepared to move to a decent population centre can get an education and a decent standard of living, with their kids likely bettering the economic/living circumstances of their parents. Fucks sake my GF is friends with people who came from Rwanda as refugees, they took jobs as carers in aged/disabled care and so far 3 of their kids have gotten university degrees and decent jobs. Black as the ace of spades as well so skin colour isn't a handicap.

There's a huge problem out there for sure but it's roots are geography and culture. Who's going to open that can of worms?

FKT

 

[Recidivist]

There's a huge problem out there for sure but it's roots are geography and culture. Who's going to open that can of worms?

FKT

There's been an interesting development in the last couple of days. Absolute crisis in Alice Springs, federal pollies come to see what the fuss is about (it was them cancelling Federal grog restrictions), new grog restrictions get imposed and the usual suspects all upcamp and head for Mt Isa where the restrictions don't apply. Funny that - we are always told that it's unreasonable to expect these people to move from "their country" to get a job, but it's no problem to move from their country to get grog.

I am not a racist, but this IS a race-based problem and it will not be solved until a race-based approach is taken by government, IMHO. I know some will find the idea abhorrent, but billions have been spent trying non-discriminatory approaches and the problem has gotten worse - MUCH worse. If the grog was stopped tomorrow, it will take about 50 years for things to return to "normal" (as they were say 5 years ago). That's a long time to expect a community to put up with constant rampant crime.

Can of worms indeed.

 

[Recidivist]

But no, just more silly games.

If that's what you have got from some very reasoned responses here, you are welcome to take your bat and ball and fuck off.

You started the thread because you are an attention seeker, you have not been able to effectively address posters who happen to hold different opinions to yourself, so you resort to petty name calling and attempted insults. Sorry, that's weak.

And I wonder, being a soap dodger and all, if you even know the origin of the term "sledging". No googling or Wikipedia now!

 

[Goodvibes]

The lack of answers is why there's no chance I'll vote yes until answers are forthcoming.

What a bullshitter. Blah blah fucking blah.

From all your posts on these boards, there is no fucking chance you will vote YES under any circumstances. But any excuse will do Right?

By complete 'coinkidink', you are regurgitating the RWNJ line perfectly.

It's boring, please try harder to mask you baked in biases.

 

[Se7en]

From all your posts on these boards, there is no fucking chance you will vote YES under any circumstances.

Rather than tell us what you think we are going to do, why not have a crack at explaining how the constitutional change as written is going to help?
After all, I'm a self confessed labor voter in the federal arena, so I don't think that makes me a RWNJ.

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

If that's what you have got from some very reasoned responses here, you are welcome to take your bat and ball and fuck off.

You started the thread because you are an attention seeker, you have not been able to effectively address posters who happen to hold different opinions to yourself, so you resort to petty name calling and attempted insults. Sorry, that's weak.

Yeah it is, but it's all Meli has.

There's a reason why she has most of us on double-secret ignore. She couldn't handle the fact that she kept coming up as an uneducated, wilfully ignorant clown.

FKT

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

Rather than tell us what you think we are going to do, why not have a crack at explaining how the constitutional change as written is going to help?
After all, I'm a self confessed labor voter in the federal arena, so I don't think that makes me a RWNJ.

Fuck I voted for the ALP in the last election, had a total gutful of Morrison and his clowns. And that was BEFORE I found out about the secret multi-ministry bullshit. I would have voted ALP in the previous election were it not for the fact that they were led by a person I regarded as morally corrupt and a betrayer of the union members who paid his salary.

Randumb, Meli and ETS are never going to explain anything, nor put up any reasons why the amendment is going to improve things. To do that, first they need to think and develop a coherent argument. Randumb can't even manage a PARAGRAPH which is why he just posts idiotic memes. It truly is the best he can do.

FKT

 

[Recidivist]

Randumb can't even manage a PARAGRAPH which is why he just posts idiotic memes. It truly is the best he can do.

FKT

Mate, I gave up on Randumb several iterations ago. Life is easier without him. I wouldn't mind if there was an occasional construcive comment, but no - everything is negative and not expressed in words explaining his viewpoint, but fucking mindless memes instead. He's a waste of electrons.

 

[Happy]

It doesn't really matter what this government, or any Aus gov., tries to do.

The sad situation of outback blackfellas is an evolutionary problem.
As long as there are remote communities with fuck-all to live for except dole day and green cans, nothing will change.

The local blackfellas I know don't give a damn about the Voice and fundamentally distrust all politicians.
They are concerned about their jobs, mortgages, kids, the cost of living. You know, the same shit as all of us Australians........