The Wall

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[VhmSays]

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He's made it near impossible for him or the Ds to back down or reach a middle ground without being total losers. 

Who's gonna pay for the wall? The americans he's holding hostage. Trump team have surveyed the workers whose pays will be affected, most will soon cry out "give him his wall and me my pay", everyone has expenses and many not enough savings to last days let alone months.

The Ds ought to continue the shutdown till 2020 but in a bid to appear more "mature" and "we care for the country" I can see them giving in.... unless the Rs stab him in the back and agree with the Ds on restarting the government minus the wall which is not likely. Mitch loves these kind of tactics, I see his hand guiding this escalation.

Mueller may spring a surprise and the Rs to redeem themselves may team up with the Ds and usher in a new era of cooperation and bipartisanship but the most likely scenario is the Ds taking it up theirs.

If they manage to grow a pair or learn to use a strap on and stop with the "responsible adults" thing the desperation to find a way out as T & mitch realise their blackmail ain't gonna work will be legendary. 

Edit: it may end in an anticlimax tomorrow, just trying out my new keyboard layout.

 

[Bus Driver]

He's made it near impossible for him or the Ds to back down or reach a middle ground without being total losers. 

Who's gonna pay for the wall? The americans he's holding hostage. Trump team have surveyed the workers whose pays will be affected, most will soon cry out "give him his wall and me my pay", everyone has expenses and many not enough savings to last days let alone months.

The Ds ought to continue the shutdown till 2020 but in a bid to appear more "mature" and "we care for the country" I can see them giving in.... unless the Rs stab him in the back and agree with the Ds on restarting the government minus the wall which is not likely. Mitch loves these kind of tactics, I see his hand guiding this escalation.

Mueller may spring a surprise and the Rs to redeem themselves may team up with the Ds and usher in a new era of cooperation and bipartisanship but the most likely scenario is the Ds taking it up theirs.

If they manage to grow a pair or learn to use a strap on and stop with the "responsible adults" thing the desperation to find a way out as T & mitch realise their blackmail ain't gonna work will be legendary. 

Edit: it may end in an anticlimax tomorrow, just trying out my new keyboard layout.

Don't bet the farm.

GOP Senator calls on Congress to end shutdown without border deal

 

[badlatitude]

 

[Bent Sailor]

Don't bet the farm.

GOP Senator calls on Congress to end shutdown without border deal

The paragraph that stands out is:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) says he will not schedule a vote on a clean stopgap funding measure to re-open federal agencies without prior sign-off from the president. 

The GOP will not allow their president (& by extension, the Republican Party) to be seen voting against people get paid for the job the government hired them to do. So instead of acting in the public's interest, they'll refuse to act at all. Gutless.

 

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So instead of acting in the public's interest, they'll refuse to act at all. Gutless.

perfect members of an IJ ...............

 

[Olsonist]

Cory Gardner isn't a nobody (like for example, a Rubio). He's the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, roughly 6th in the Republican leadership.

 

[Bent Sailor]

Cory Gardner isn't a nobody (like for example, a Rubio). He's the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, roughly 6th in the Republican leadership.

So? Trump has said he won't open the government until he gets his wall, McConnell has said he won't bring to vote anything that Trump won't sign, and Gardner can't/won't do anything about it. It's all kabuki theatre and faux hand-wringing to save his state some votes. 

 

[Olsonist]

Yeah, but if McConnell caves, if, then that doesn't matter. Gardner going public is probably a signal meant to lessen the sting of capitulation. But Republicans knew this would happen (and they said as much) a week or so back. Basically instead of caving then they get to cave now and give Pelosi a nice little victory dance to start off with.

I suppose Shitstain could veto a funding bill and but then risk really get humiliated.

 

[Saorsa]

Yeah, but if McConnell caves, if, then that doesn't matter. Gardner going public is probably a signal meant to lessen the sting of capitulation. But Republicans knew this would happen (and they said as much) a week or so back. Basically instead of caving then they get to cave now and give Pelosi a nice little victory dance to start off with.

I suppose Shitstain could veto a funding bill and but then risk really get humiliated.

Was Clinton humiliated when he vetoed a funding bill and shut down the government?

 

[Olsonist]

Was Clinton humiliated when he vetoed a funding bill and shut down the government?

Not at all. He won that shutdown, twice. The first was over Gingrich throwing a hissy fit about not being allowed to exit Air Force One from the front at Rabin's funeral. Maybe your boy Shitstain let Gingrich exit from the front, but Slick Willie never did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdowns_of_1995–1996

Speaking to the point, Clinton didn't get those vetoes overridden. Your boy Shitstain would be getting his first veto overridden.

 

[Bent Sailor]

I suppose Shitstain could veto a funding bill and but then risk really get humiliated.

Which is why McConnell is not letting any bill Trump hasn't pre-approved come to a vote. The GOP President getting humiliated humiliates the GOP. Mitch is trying to minimise damage to the GOP brand and Trump is making sure that any pain to him is felt by the Republican Party. Mutually assured destruction of brand as a weapon to get his way.

 

[Olsonist]

Then it’s on McConnell. But I see Gardner as a smoke signal 

McConnell revels in his personal unpopularity, but only up to a point and that point is the electability of Senate Republicans. He’s basically in a coalition with a madman and he can catch spears for only so long.

This is an own goal for Republicans and the base will hold it against them in true Read My Lips fashion.

Popcorn?

 

[Dog]

Can we get real here. We have caravans of thousands of central Americans advancing on the southern border. 60,000 illegal crossing apprehensions in a single month. Families crossing in the dangerous El Paso sector up 20 times year over year. All are undeterred by our current border security measures.

The president is requesting a paltry $5B which is more than he will settle for and less than is needed. The reason Democrats won't support the $5B is because they are only pretending to be for border security, they see votes crossing the border. The "walls are immoral" or that they don't work arguments are transparently bullshit. That and they want to stick it to Trump.

It's all about the accumulation of power and revenge.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Can we get real here. We have caravans of thousands of central Americans advancing on the southern border. 60,000 illegal crossing apprehensions in a single month. Families crossing in the dangerous El Paso sector up 20 times year over year. All are undeterred by our current border security measures.

The president is requesting a paltry $5B which is more than he will settle for and less than is needed. The reason Democrats won't support the $5B is because they are only pretending to be for border security, they see votes crossing the border. The "walls are immoral" or that they don't work arguments are transparently bullshit. That and they want to stick it to Trump.

It's all about the accumulation of power and revenge.

That’s even funnier than the delusional bullshit from the Pride of the GOP himself. You were told to up your game and you outdid yourself. Give yourself a treat. 

 

[dacapo]

That’s even funnier than the delusional bullshit from the Pride of the GOP himself. You were told to up your game and you outdid yourself. Give yourself a treat. 

did he really just say we have caravans thousands of  thousands advancing on the southern boarder?   isn't that so 2018?

 

[Dog]

That’s even funnier than the delusional bullshit from the Pride of the GOP himself. You were told to up your game and you outdid yourself. Give yourself a treat. 

Did you see that Pelosi and Schumer refused to even hear Nielsen's briefing on the situation at the border, they don't even want to know.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Did you see that Pelosi and Schumer refused to even hear Nielsen's briefing on the situation at the border, they don't even want to know.

That's good work.  Another treat.  

 

[Bus Driver]

Can we get real here. We have caravans of thousands of central Americans advancing on the southern border. 60,000 illegal crossing apprehensions in a single month. Families crossing in the dangerous El Paso sector up 20 times year over year. All are undeterred by our current border security measures.

The president is requesting a paltry $5B which is more than he will settle for and less than is needed. The reason Democrats won't support the $5B is because they are only pretending to be for border security, they see votes crossing the border. The "walls are immoral" or that they don't work arguments are transparently bullshit. That and they want to stick it to Trump.

It's all about the accumulation of power and revenge.

That's my favorite part.  More of that "millions of illegal voters" bullshit that keeps being mentioned, but never seems to be there when investigated.

Kinda like this shit-shoveler.

 

[Dog]

That's my favorite part.  More of that "millions of illegal voters" bullshit that keeps being mentioned, but never seems to be there when investigated.

Kinda like this shit-shoveler.

So why do you think Democrats oppose approving the $5B?