The Wall

Raz'r

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Would that be the same Kirstjen Neilsen who denies TSA workers are calling out sick at an unusually high level during the shutdown, after a DHS spokesperson confirmed that was actually occurring?

Pardon me if I scoff at whatever she says. 
She does have a credibility problem...

 

billy backstay

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THANKS, BD!!

Jan. 4, 2019 / 4:13 PM EST
By Julia Ainsley
WASHINGTON — White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Friday that Customs and Border Protection picked up nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists last year "that came across our southern border."

But in fact, the figure she seems to be citing is based on 2017 data, not 2018, and refers to stops made by Department of Homeland Security across the globe, mainly at airports.

In fiscal 2017, the latest year for which data is available, according to agency data and the White House's own briefing sheet, the Department of Homeland Security prevented nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists from "traveling to or entering the United States."
According to Justice Department public records and two former counterterrorism officials, no immigrant has been arrested at the southwest border on terrorism charges in recent years.

The White House did not respond to a request for comment about Sanders' statement.

Ahead of President Donald Trump's meeting Friday afternoon with Congressional leaders to negotiate the end of the government shutdown, the White House issued briefing materials that stated "3,775 known or suspected terrorists [were] prevented from traveling or entering the U.S. by DHS" in fiscal year 2017. Nowhere did the briefing materials state the known or suspected terrorists were stopped at the southern border.

Ned Price, who served on President Barack Obama's National Security Council, said many of those 3,775 were stopped simply because their name matches that of someone on a terrorist watch list, which have grown in recent years, and not because they pose a threat."So-called terrorist watchlists are an important tool in our national security arsenal, but they are far from fool-proof in large part because of their sheer size. The number of people on such lists ballooned in the years after 9/11, with some reports indicating that more than one million names had been associated with suspected terrorist activity. That's why false-positives, including in the case of crossings at our southern border, are commonplace. Even the late Ted Kennedy was registered on one such list when attempting to fly, presumably because of the commonality of his name," Price said.

Nick Rasmussen, the former director of the National Counterterrorism Center from December 2014 through December 2017 said, "During my tenure, the threat of terrorists trying to infiltrate the United States across our southern border was much more of a theoretical vulnerability than an actual one. It simply isn’t the case that terrorist groups like ISIS and al Qaeda see the southern border as the optimal the way to get would-be terrorists into the country."

DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said at a press conference at the White House Friday afternoon that more than 3,000 immigrants have been stopped at the southwest border, over an unspecified period, because they are special interest aliens. DHS classifies nearly all immigrants crossing the border who is a national of a country outside of the Western Hemisphere as a Special Interest Alien, according to DHS reports.

A spokeswoman for the National Counterterrorism Center did not respond to a request for comment.



[SIZE=.875rem]Julia Ainsley[/SIZE]
Julia Ainsley is a national security reporter for NBC News.



 

Raz'r

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THANKS, BD!!

Jan. 4, 2019 / 4:13 PM EST
By Julia Ainsley
WASHINGTON — White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Friday that Customs and Border Protection picked up nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists last year "that came across our southern border."

But in fact, the figure she seems to be citing is based on 2017 data, not 2018, and refers to stops made by Department of Homeland Security across the globe, mainly at airports.

In fiscal 2017, the latest year for which data is available, according to agency data and the White House's own briefing sheet, the Department of Homeland Security prevented nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists from "traveling to or entering the United States."
According to Justice Department public records and two former counterterrorism officials, no immigrant has been arrested at the southwest border on terrorism charges in recent years.

The White House did not respond to a request for comment about Sanders' statement.

Ahead of President Donald Trump's meeting Friday afternoon with Congressional leaders to negotiate the end of the government shutdown, the White House issued briefing materials that stated "3,775 known or suspected terrorists [were] prevented from traveling or entering the U.S. by DHS" in fiscal year 2017. Nowhere did the briefing materials state the known or suspected terrorists were stopped at the southern border.

Ned Price, who served on President Barack Obama's National Security Council, said many of those 3,775 were stopped simply because their name matches that of someone on a terrorist watch list, which have grown in recent years, and not because they pose a threat."So-called terrorist watchlists are an important tool in our national security arsenal, but they are far from fool-proof in large part because of their sheer size. The number of people on such lists ballooned in the years after 9/11, with some reports indicating that more than one million names had been associated with suspected terrorist activity. That's why false-positives, including in the case of crossings at our southern border, are commonplace. Even the late Ted Kennedy was registered on one such list when attempting to fly, presumably because of the commonality of his name," Price said.

Nick Rasmussen, the former director of the National Counterterrorism Center from December 2014 through December 2017 said, "During my tenure, the threat of terrorists trying to infiltrate the United States across our southern border was much more of a theoretical vulnerability than an actual one. It simply isn’t the case that terrorist groups like ISIS and al Qaeda see the southern border as the optimal the way to get would-be terrorists into the country."

DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said at a press conference at the White House Friday afternoon that more than 3,000 immigrants have been stopped at the southwest border, over an unspecified period, because they are special interest aliens. DHS classifies nearly all immigrants crossing the border who is a national of a country outside of the Western Hemisphere as a Special Interest Alien, according to DHS reports.

A spokeswoman for the National Counterterrorism Center did not respond to a request for comment.



[SIZE=.875rem]Julia Ainsley[/SIZE]
Julia Ainsley is a national security reporter for NBC News.
Walls around all airports! Dog is scared!

 

dacapo

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Shootist Jeff said:
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i didn;t know Mexican was a language

 
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Lark

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https://www.newsweek.com/trump-campaign-advisors-only-invented-border-wall-idea-make-sure-he-slammed-1280503

“‘Donald Trump’s campaign advisers only invented the border wall promise as a memory trick to remind a difficult candidate to slam immigrants in speeches, according to a report.

‘How do we get him to continue to talk about immigration?’ Sam Nunberg, one of Mr. Trump’s early political advisers, recalled telling Roger J. Stone Jr., another adviser. ‘We’re going to get him to talk about he’s going to build a wall,’” the Timeswrote.

The government is crippled by a fake crises because of a manufactured campaign pledge designed to compensate for candidate Trump’s ADD issues.  What happened to my country?

Sorry @Dog it was never about border security or Mexican foreign aid to compensate for our broken government.   If it was we’d have universal Everify, permanent greencards for victims of human trafficking in exchange for testimony resulting in a conviction, and would update the cameras, sensors and patrols put in place by Presidents Bush and Obama.  

Meanwhile we would copy Canada by recruiting the best, brightest and highest achievers.    Instead we tried to lock them out of their grad programs by stopping them at the airports and make it increasingly hard for them to remain after they graduate.   Even if a large company wants to hire them, they may be refused if a single mistake is found in the paperwork.   Small companies are pretty well squeezed out by the complexity.   It’s not about illegals or terrorists.    It’s about people that don’t look like Kansas being allowed to do research at Kansas State.   That is offensive to some in government.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/12/13/its-much-harder-now-for-foreign-grads-to-get-jobs-at-us-tech-companies/#5832655e7bae

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/24/650520165/high-skilled-immigrants-call-out-the-trump-administrations-hypocrisy

 
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Bent Sailor

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Once again, the Trump  campaign  administration is once again removing any option but capitulation from either side:

"If he has to give up a concrete wall, replace it with a steel fence in order to do that so that Democrats can say, 'See? He's not building a wall anymore,' that should help us move in the right direction"

Instead of giving the Democrats room to compromise with Trump, he is politically painting any compromise as gamesmanship on their part. Which, of course, only escalates the pressure for them to not give an inch. "Double or nothing" is no way to lead a country.

 

Sol Rosenberg

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Once again, the Trump  campaign  administration is once again removing any option but capitulation from either side:

"If he has to give up a concrete wall, replace it with a steel fence in order to do that so that Democrats can say, 'See? He's not building a wall anymore,' that should help us move in the right direction"

Instead of giving the Democrats room to compromise with Trump, he is politically painting any compromise as gamesmanship on their part. Which, of course, only escalates the pressure for them to not give an inch. "Double or nothing" is no way to lead a country.
Art of the deal. This is someone who knows how to do dealsss. It is going to be a terrific deal just wait and see. 

 

Dog

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Once again, the Trump  campaign  administration is once again removing any option but capitulation from either side:

"If he has to give up a concrete wall, replace it with a steel fence in order to do that so that Democrats can say, 'See? He's not building a wall anymore,' that should help us move in the right direction"

Instead of giving the Democrats room to compromise with Trump, he is politically painting any compromise as gamesmanship on their part. Which, of course, only escalates the pressure for them to not give an inch. "Double or nothing" is no way to lead a country.
Not that your opinion is really relevant but how is offering a steel fence instead of a concrete wall removing any option for capitulation?

 
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Bent Sailor

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Not that your opinion is really relavent but how is offering a steel fence instead of a concrete wall removing any option for capitulation?
If you don't think my opinion is relevant, it makes no sense you asking. Get back to me when you think it is relevant to the discussion and I'll give you an answer.

 

Dog

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Now if you imagine I said it was removing any option for capitulation, you'd actually have a point that's relevant to my post.
The correct answer remains of course...it's not

Offering a steel fence instead of a concrete wall does not remove any option but capitulation. Does it?

 
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Bent Sailor

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The correct answer remains of course...it's not

Offering a steel fence instead of a concrete wall does not remove any option but capitulation. Does it?
Do you think my opinion is relevant or not? Do make up your mind - you keep asking as if it is, but you seem afraid that admitting that will mean I'll slap you upside the head with some facts again.

 
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