pickeringsv
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It’s time David Salter came out and revealed on who’s request he is waging this vendetta
the weight
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From the last two articles it seems he's working for SA, not just submitting his work for upload.
Hitchhiker
Hoopy Frood
The funny thing is under PHRF you can easily protest the rating. The other funny thing is @Goodvibes gave you a like.
Sounds like a load of bollocks......
therefor you have to measure the specific gravity of water within IMS and later ORCi ;-)
It's all in the rule.
Livia
Super Anarchist
Well it is about 26kg per 1000kg for salt versus fresh water
So 200kg on a to 52 which while not be 5% of weight the overhangs are likely to infringe
So no valid ct
Ims CT’s had the salinity on them as did ior
For YEARS i have believed that there should be an olympic category for "Anything goes". Meaning competitors can do anything they like to improve their own individual performance as long as it does not directly impede their competitors safety or health.
Imagine the entertainment value in a roided up PCP taking athelete with helium in their shoes!?... I'd watch that...Especially some of the more obscure events.
Perhaps we have reached the time where there should be an open S-H Class where the determined,well funded and trophy hungry can go their hardest with boat and pro crew development strategies and all others can choose to follow them from the gun or not?.
Those that embrace the corinthian challenge and strive to improve on personal bests and goals can do their thing too.
All Australia Sailing will say if anything untoward is found is: "With more funding and legislative powers, we hope to continue to grow the sport and Australia's international reputation as a world class sailing nation and grant application writing organisation....Safety first, kids enrolment, competency courses available,Sailpass,Sailpass,Sailpass etc etc blah blah"...
I say Bring on the Roided up hightech shenanigans, out in the open for all to witness and enjoy. It'll inspire more than these constant 'Controversies' post event.
Imagine the entertainment value in a roided up PCP taking athelete with helium in their shoes!?... I'd watch that...Especially some of the more obscure events.
Perhaps we have reached the time where there should be an open S-H Class where the determined,well funded and trophy hungry can go their hardest with boat and pro crew development strategies and all others can choose to follow them from the gun or not?.
Those that embrace the corinthian challenge and strive to improve on personal bests and goals can do their thing too.
All Australia Sailing will say if anything untoward is found is: "With more funding and legislative powers, we hope to continue to grow the sport and Australia's international reputation as a world class sailing nation and grant application writing organisation....Safety first, kids enrolment, competency courses available,Sailpass,Sailpass,Sailpass etc etc blah blah"...
I say Bring on the Roided up hightech shenanigans, out in the open for all to witness and enjoy. It'll inspire more than these constant 'Controversies' post event.
Jethrow
Super Anarchist
Designated driver/skipper stays straight & sober….Until ashore.
As long as no ones found to be in possession...
I’m sure there’d be a quack or corporation somewhere thats willing to run organised “Supplement programs” for interested teams or individuals.
duncan (the other one)
Super Anarchist
'cos I love to keep kicking this (not quite dead) horse...
Part 1
IRC Guidance on Rating Protests (a boat being non-compliant with her certificate)
1. Preamble
This guidance focusses on protests concerning alleged breaches of IRC measurement rules.
...
3. When is a boat non-compliant with her IRC certificate?
..
Generally, therefore, linear dimensions in error by greater than 10mm, and weights in error
by greater than 0.2% of load cell capacity +5 kg, can be taken to mean that the boat is not in
compliance with her certificate
This is an order of magnitude smaller than the numbers for invalidating a certificate under IRC 9.8 (5%)
Part 2
Hobart SI's
23.8 There is no time limit for protests by the Race Committee or the International Jury.
If the Hobart RC want to tidy this issue up, all they need do is protest the boats in question now and force a re-measure.
Ah - you could say SI 23.1 should have been used by competitors prior to the race..
23.1 Protests concerning eligibility of a boat shall be lodged at the CYCA Sailing Office by 1700 hours on 23 December 2022.
.. but who was to know at that time that AS/RORC would do the deflection dance and avoid scrutiny?
Part 1
IRC Guidance on Rating Protests (a boat being non-compliant with her certificate)
1. Preamble
This guidance focusses on protests concerning alleged breaches of IRC measurement rules.
...
3. When is a boat non-compliant with her IRC certificate?
..
Generally, therefore, linear dimensions in error by greater than 10mm, and weights in error
by greater than 0.2% of load cell capacity +5 kg, can be taken to mean that the boat is not in
compliance with her certificate
This is an order of magnitude smaller than the numbers for invalidating a certificate under IRC 9.8 (5%)
Part 2
Hobart SI's
23.8 There is no time limit for protests by the Race Committee or the International Jury.
If the Hobart RC want to tidy this issue up, all they need do is protest the boats in question now and force a re-measure.
Ah - you could say SI 23.1 should have been used by competitors prior to the race..
23.1 Protests concerning eligibility of a boat shall be lodged at the CYCA Sailing Office by 1700 hours on 23 December 2022.
.. but who was to know at that time that AS/RORC would do the deflection dance and avoid scrutiny?
duncan (the other one)
Super Anarchist
ooh - I missed the FP.
AS President, Alistair Murray:
“It frustrates me that there is all this discussion when all the competitor has to do is put up their hand and say ‘There’s something fishy here and I’m protesting’.
“Every competitor has the right to lodge a protest which ultimately – and I don’t know where it could go – could lead to a re-measure or a rating review. That avenue is available to anyone who cares to take it.”
Well said. There are way too many 'interested parties' who won't put their names on a protest or rating review form.
I put up with this sort of stuff at a club level - people bitch to me about on-course behaviour of other sailors. "Put in a protest" is my #1 response.
AS President, Alistair Murray:
“It frustrates me that there is all this discussion when all the competitor has to do is put up their hand and say ‘There’s something fishy here and I’m protesting’.
“Every competitor has the right to lodge a protest which ultimately – and I don’t know where it could go – could lead to a re-measure or a rating review. That avenue is available to anyone who cares to take it.”
Well said. There are way too many 'interested parties' who won't put their names on a protest or rating review form.
I put up with this sort of stuff at a club level - people bitch to me about on-course behaviour of other sailors. "Put in a protest" is my #1 response.
All of the ridiculous tangents and insinuations of the latest artice forced me into a catatonic 1000-yard stare, at which time I realised that the background texture on the mythical front page works as a a stereoscopic image. If you cross your eyes just right you will see a concrete wall floating a distance behind your screen. True story.
If you stare like this long enough then you start to see the map of the Celestial consipracy and all the dots connecting together. Just cross those eyes and stare hard enough for a solid half day and it all starts to make so much sense.
If you stare like this long enough then you start to see the map of the Celestial consipracy and all the dots connecting together. Just cross those eyes and stare hard enough for a solid half day and it all starts to make so much sense.
Goodvibes
under the southern cross I stand ...
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Yes I agree.
So you should know better than most that just because there are no protests, doesn't mean that there is nothing wrong.
Mid
Blues Rule
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appoligies , been a bit slow on the uptake ... here 'tis :
From their movie "The Last Waltz" with The Staple Singers -
I pulled into Nazareth, I was feelin' about half past dead; I just need some place where I can lay my head.
"Hey, mister, can you tell me where a man might find a bed?"
He just grinned and shook my hand, and "No!", was all he said.
(Chorus
Take a load off Fannie, take a load for free;
Take a load off Fannie, And (and) (and) you can put the load right on me.
I picked up my bag, I went lookin' for a place to hide; When I saw Carmen and the Devil walkin' side by side.
I said, "Hey, Carmen, come on, let's go downtown." She said, "I gotta go, but m'friend can stick around."
(Chorus)
Go down, Miss Moses, there's nothin' you can say It's just ol' Luke, and Luke's waitin' on the Judgement Day. "
Well, Luke, my friend, what about young Anna Lee?"
He said, "Do me a favor, son, woncha stay an' keep Anna Lee company?"
(Chorus)
Crazy Chester followed me, and he caught me in the fog. He said, "I will fix your rags, if you'll take Jack, my dog."
I said, "Wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man."
He said, "That's okay, boy, won't you feed him when you can."
(Chorus)
Catch a Cannonball, now, t'take me down the line My bag is sinkin' low and I do believe it's time. To get back to Miss Annie, you know she's the only one. Who sent me here with her regards for everyone.
(Chorus)
From their movie "The Last Waltz" with The Staple Singers -
I pulled into Nazareth, I was feelin' about half past dead; I just need some place where I can lay my head.
"Hey, mister, can you tell me where a man might find a bed?"
He just grinned and shook my hand, and "No!", was all he said.
(Chorus
Take a load off Fannie, take a load for free;
Take a load off Fannie, And (and) (and) you can put the load right on me.
I picked up my bag, I went lookin' for a place to hide; When I saw Carmen and the Devil walkin' side by side.
I said, "Hey, Carmen, come on, let's go downtown." She said, "I gotta go, but m'friend can stick around."
(Chorus)
Go down, Miss Moses, there's nothin' you can say It's just ol' Luke, and Luke's waitin' on the Judgement Day. "
Well, Luke, my friend, what about young Anna Lee?"
He said, "Do me a favor, son, woncha stay an' keep Anna Lee company?"
(Chorus)
Crazy Chester followed me, and he caught me in the fog. He said, "I will fix your rags, if you'll take Jack, my dog."
I said, "Wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man."
He said, "That's okay, boy, won't you feed him when you can."
(Chorus)
Catch a Cannonball, now, t'take me down the line My bag is sinkin' low and I do believe it's time. To get back to Miss Annie, you know she's the only one. Who sent me here with her regards for everyone.
(Chorus)
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duncan (the other one)
Super Anarchist
I've always been fond of this one. A bit like this thread.
Goodvibes
under the southern cross I stand ...
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Latest FP article.
"The boat (Celestial) has now had her rig pulled and keel and rudder removed. It’s called maintenance."
No matter how you spin it, given the circumstances, that is not a good look. It means that configuration of the boat will never be the same as it was when it won the race, no matter what the claims maybe. When I saw that had happened a little groan happened inside me and I am sure others winced with news. Maybe even a WTF? or three.
Unfortunately, all this is just chatter that continues to draw attention to the colossal cluster fuck that this race win has been. I feel sympathy for Celestial, whatever happened, the 'System' allowed it to happen, the system is fucked. Now, because of that, they are hung out to dry, forever tainted in doubt.
"The boat (Celestial) has now had her rig pulled and keel and rudder removed. It’s called maintenance."
No matter how you spin it, given the circumstances, that is not a good look. It means that configuration of the boat will never be the same as it was when it won the race, no matter what the claims maybe. When I saw that had happened a little groan happened inside me and I am sure others winced with news. Maybe even a WTF? or three.
Unfortunately, all this is just chatter that continues to draw attention to the colossal cluster fuck that this race win has been. I feel sympathy for Celestial, whatever happened, the 'System' allowed it to happen, the system is fucked. Now, because of that, they are hung out to dry, forever tainted in doubt.
