This is a long needed step towards proper Gun Control

[Danceswithoctopus]

The ATF is pretty specific about what it takes to consider a firearm destroyed. I provided a link.

Filling a barrel with epoxy, as suggested, is quite easily restorable to firing condition. That's not legally a destroyed firearm.

By the way, when you've baselessly accused someone of lying and you realize it, there's a fork in the road. You apologize or you're an asshole. I've seen which fork you take.

Still waiting for a cite to a statute. What you've provided appear to be guidelines, not a law.

While you're at it, please show where I accused you of lying.

Finally, if you will recall I did apologize (saying, "I stand corrected") to you in another thread (or in this one, I'm not sure and it ain't worth my time to go back and look). You rejected that offhand. Consequently, I conclude that it is you, Tom, who is the liar and the asshole.

 

[Raz'r]

Still waiting for a cite to a statute. What you've provided appear to be guidelines, not a law.

While you're at it, please show where I accused you of lying.

Finally, if you will recall I did apologize (saying, "I stand corrected") to you in another thread (or in this one, I'm not sure and it ain't worth my time to go back and look). You rejected that offhand. Consequently, I conclude that it is you, Tom, who is the liar and the asshole.

Tommy Gun is still around slinging shit? Who knew?

Ask him how his militia training is going, looks like he's had a lot of recruits lately.

 

[silent bob]

It is mental health with a large dose of cult/ideology incitement AND easy access to firearms.

In CA we can thank Reagan and the Republicans for Prop 13 in the 70s (and FUCKED our property tax system) that drastically cut the states mental health budget. Tons of mentally ill on the streets are expected when there is no money to care for them.

Huh? Wasn't it also Governor Jerry Brown and his cronies jacking up Property Taxes so high that the elderly residents couldn't afford them, while at the same time not spending said taxes?! This wasn't a fault of one party, it is the fault of BOTH PARTIES!

By the way, if the Democrats are so upset about Ronnie closing the Mental Institutions, why haven't the re-opened them? They've been in power with a Super Majority for long enough!

 

[d'ranger]

Awesome whataboutism* soylent blob. Meanwhile in Texas the party of God Guns and spilled guts blocked the effort to require age 21 to purchase assault style guns. And allow 18 year olds buying handguns. Go Team really really Red.

*duck dodge and deflect

 

[Blue Crab]

By the way, if the Democrats are so upset about Ronnie closing the Mental Institutions, why haven't the re-opened them? They've been in power with a Super Majority for long enough!

I'd guess the answer is as simple as there isn't much pressure being applied by MH lobbyists and the general feeling -- still guessing here -- that the amount of money and effort can be better utilized elsewhere.

Consider, we haven't the slightest idea how to remedy these maladies from admission to a program, fixing the issues [!], then setting up after care via halfway houses ... all the way to setting patients up with housing, food, other essentials, transportation, disability payments, possible job training ... the list of needs is endless.

What Reagan ended was a shameful experience and huge money pouring into a black hole. Pragmatically it was a money saver dropping programs that weren't working.

The best we've been able to do is keep some behavior under some control with meds, and apparently no control when patients stop taking them.

 

[Blue Crab]

Tommy Gun is still around slinging shit? Who knew?

Ask him how his militia training is going, looks like he's had a lot of recruits lately.

I'll bet he's as happy as can be that he's blocked so many critics.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Still waiting for a cite to a statute. What you've provided appear to be guidelines, not a law.

While you're at it, please show where I accused you of lying.

Finally, if you will recall I did apologize (saying, "I stand corrected") to you in another thread (or in this one, I'm not sure and it ain't worth my time to go back and look). You rejected that offhand. Consequently, I conclude that it is you, Tom, who is the liar and the asshole.

Nitpick away. The ATF says how to legally destroy a gun. You didn't ask them for the law, why ask me.

This is a direct accusation of lying:

Tom will, of course, correct me, but his "Battlefield 22" is really a .0223, not .022. He does that intentionally to confuse the two distinctly different types of rounds and make his 223 seem sedate.

Specifically, the part about doing it intentionally and to confuse.

Thanking me for correcting you and apologizing for lying about me are two different things. One is all about you and how you gained some knowledge from me. The other is about how you feel about falsely accusing someone of lying. Pretty OK is how you seem to feel. Asshole.

 

[veni vidi vici]

The government is incapable , well the least effective, means of social change. Only society can fundamentally and effectively make social change.

 

[Blue Crab]

No offenseThe government is incapayble , well the least effective, means of social change. Only society can fundamentally and effectively make social change.

Tell it to the Rooskis, and the Chinese ya dumbass or get your God to snap his/her/its fingers and heal the world.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Tell it to the Rooskis, and the Chinese ya dumbass or get your God to snap his/her/it's fingers and heal the world.

Well in China’s case they did advance a centuries old agrarian civilization close to the modern world with strict top down authoritarian policies. Russia is simply lost .
So …. FFW to the USA We already have the most advanced inclusive society in the history of the world, no need in giving up personal freedoms and tax dollars to bumbling stumbling incompetent limousine liberals fighting a problem that doesn’t exist. And…. it’s clear to see that every single example of liberals in power have only enriched themselves and protected themselves from criticism and challengers.
We are humans and humans are fallible, best let to sort out their own lives in a traditional American society.
I became an adult about the time the Great Society was implemented, it has certainly not been cost effective and arguably not effective at all and actually made life worse for many of those it set out to uplift, American blacks and been royally abused and set back by Democrat policies and programs.

 

[Blue Crab]

What I see is serious movement towards the right by Blacks disgusted with waiting for equity from the left. Access is key ... they are not expecting equity just access. They make a lotta noise for just 14% of the pop.
I'm way more inclined to help the Latinos who are here to work.

 

[Keith]

 

[veni vidi vici]

What I see is serious movement towards the right by Blacks disgusted with waiting for equity from the left. Access is key ... they are not expecting equity just access. They make a lotta noise for just 14% of the pop.
I'm way more inclined to help the Latinos who are here to work.

Latinos are busting their ass and will save this country from liberalization.
I am going to a Mexican former coworker’s son’s 16th birthday this afternoon. I went to his father’s wedding about 18 years ago.Josue , birthday boys father, started as a basic trim floor carpenter for https://teakdecking.com/
about 20 years ago. He is an excellent worker and meticulous carpenter. He worked his way up from trim floor carpenter to trim floor supervisor and oversaw every deck that was built along with scheduling the various upcoming jobs, lots of balls and personalities to juggle. He is now in the design CAD department. He has other extended family members working at TDS to and they are all excellent workers.
Just before the 2020 election he sent me a screenshot of his Voter ID showing me REP … he finally came around after teasing me for my conservative views all those years prior.
There may be one or two other gringos there but I doubt it.
His cousin Ivan used to work there but went back to landscaping over money. Ivan is maybe 40 years old, BUSTS his azz ! A works to make money every chance he gets, multiple jobs and multiple skills. Ivan owns 2 humble homes outright and is buying the one he lives in now. Same age as millennials that cry about affordable housing…. Yeah catch my drift Vern!
The American dream works if you work it !

 

[Steam Flyer]

Latinos are busting their ass and will save this country from liberalization.
I am going to a Mexican former coworker’s son’s 16th birthday this afternoon. I went to his father’s wedding about 18 years ago.Josue , birthday boys father, started as a basic trim floor carpenter for https://teakdecking.com/
about 20 years ago. He is an excellent worker and meticulous carpenter. He worked his way up from trim floor carpenter to trim floor supervisor and oversaw every deck that was built along with scheduling the various upcoming jobs, lots of balls and personalities to juggle. He is now in the design CAD department. He has other extended family members working at TDS to and they are all excellent workers.
Just before the 2020 election he sent me a screenshot of his Voter ID showing me REP … he finally came around after teasing me for my conservative views all those years prior.
There may be one or two other gringos there but I doubt it.
His cousin Ivan used to work there but went back to landscaping over money. Ivan is maybe 40 years old, BUSTS his azz ! A works to make money every chance he gets, multiple jobs and multiple skills. Ivan owns 2 humble homes outright and is buying the one he lives in now. Same age as millennials that cry about affordable housing…. Yeah catch my drift Vern!
The American dream works if you work it !

Just as fuckin' stupid about this as you are about everything else.

Latin Americans hate-hate-HATE socialism. They have had real experience with far-left tyranny. Their response to US right-wing spew is to either join instinctively in the chorus of anti-socialism, bigly, or a puzzled look and the realization that the US only has socialism for the wealthy and that Republicans are morons... many of them also have experience militaristic far-right dictators. And civil wars.

 

[hasher]

Just as fuckin' stupid about this as you are about everything else.

Latin Americans hate-hate-HATE socialism. They have had real experience with far-left tyranny. Their response to US right-wing spew is to either join instinctively in the chorus of anti-socialism, bigly, or a puzzled look and the realization that the US only has socialism for the wealthy and that Republicans are morons... many of them also have experience militaristic far-right dictators. And civil wars.

And they come here to work. They get jobs, support their families and support us despite our fucked up immigration system. Guest workers anyone? Or is it just it too much fun to blame the other guy rather than agree. Extra political points are available to you.

 

[Blue Crab]

They work construction, the women take care of the other stuff. I bet it's a great feeling leaving the communal digs for your own apartment.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Public defenders are where the "rubber meets the road" in our justice system. They see how it affects their clients. This is why I'm glad we have one on the Supreme Court.

Also glad to see some chime in on the case of Brian Range.



Anyone who uses the dreaded killer marijuana and possesses a gun is a criminal. This is why I've been referring to the rights of "peaceful" people and not "law abiding" ones. I think depriving someone of protected rights based on cannabis consumption is stupid and wrong. Depriving Mr. Range of protected rights based on welfare fraud in the distant past is too.

Bryan Range won in an 11-4 opinion from the 3rd Circuit

Welfare fraud in the distant past is not enough to deprive someone of a protected right. This would not be a question with respect to any other protected right.

 

[MagentaLine]

Just as fuckin' stupid about this as you are about everything else.

Latin Americans hate-hate-HATE socialism. They have had real experience with far-left tyranny. Their response to US right-wing spew is to either join instinctively in the chorus of anti-socialism, bigly, or a puzzled look and the realization that the US only has socialism for the wealthy and that Republicans are morons... many of them also have experience militaristic far-right dictators. And civil wars.

So they hate socialism.... but they keep voting for it. Makes sense 🤣

 

[MagentaLine]

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

The first shot looked justified.

The second shot to the back as the guy ran away did not look justified.