This Non-Violent Stuff Will Get You Killed

Pertinacious Tom

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It went like this, "Since MLK didn't speak against the riots, he must have been for them."
Ah, not surprising that you couldn't make it past four paragraphs. I'm actually impressed you made it that far.

You're talking about the stuff the rest of the article was written to refute, not support. as any reader would know.
 

The writer and activist Vicky Osterweil is the latest and most strident defender of the violence and destruction that have accompanied some of the protests following the death of George Floyd.

Osterweil argues in her new book, In Defense of Looting: A Riotous History of Uncivil Action, that in the last years of Martin Luther King Jr.'s life, as his focus moved beyond desegregation and voting rights and toward promoting socialism, he had a change of heart about looting and destruction as a tool for social change.

"Though he wasn't calling for violent revolution," she writes, "neither was he chastising or rejecting rioters anymore."

Others have pointed to the famous King line, "A riot is the language of the unheard," as a moral justification for the riots of the 1960s.

In reality, King was unwavering in his commitment to nonviolence.

 

jocal505

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Ah, not surprising that you couldn't make it past four paragraphs. I'm actually impressed you made it that far.

You're talking about the stuff the rest of the article was written to refute, not support. as any reader would know.
 
Your writer presented the preposterous, then debated it. Under examination, you went to a straw man: the dictation of who is a reader, and who is not.

Anyway, the subject you presented, from reason.com, was racial unrest. Over the past five years you go to that subject frequently...and as I said, without merit or insight. You can't seem to explain, or modify, the behavior. 

 

Mismoyled Jiblet.

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To illustrate Cleans point: The author of the piece Toms pushing

The worse job the state agency Cal Fire does managing the forests, the more money it gets to do so.
It’s so stupid and disingenuous, only Tom would approve

 
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Pertinacious Tom

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The immature, short-sighted desire for gunpower is amplified, and more volatile, among blacks. Even more deadly than among whites.
Your journey took you from fine scholarship, to stubborn and chronic race-baiting? WTF happened to you?
Nothing happened. I would have called sentiments like yours racist back then and still do today.

The real question is WTF happened to make you think that melanin in the skin makes people immature and volatile?

 

Pertinacious Tom

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Dog whistle time, for  @Quotidian Tom, I guess.

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You missed 2014 on page one of this thread and 2015 on page 5, among others.

Do Black People Have Equal Gun Rights?

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Until around 1970, the aims of America’s firearms restrictionists and the aims of America’s racists were practically inextricable. In both the colonial and immediate post-Revolutionary periods, the first laws regulating gun ownership were aimed squarely at blacks and Native Americans. In both the Massachusetts and Plymouth colonies, it was illegal for the colonists to sell guns to natives, while Virginia and Tennessee banned gun ownership by free blacks.

In the antebellum period, the chief justice of the United States, Roger B. Taney, wrote a grave warning into the heart of the execrable Dred Scott decision. If blacks were permitted to become citizens, Taney cautioned, they, like whites, would have full liberty to “keep and carry arms wherever they went.”
Still execrable, and still a frightening thought to those who think that

The immature, short-sighted desire for gunpower is amplified, and more volatile, among blacks. Even more deadly than among whites.

 

jocal505

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You missed 2014 on page one of this thread and 2015 on page 5, among others.

Still execrable, and still a frightening thought to those who think that
Today, Trump lost in Nevada, and he slipped behind in Pennsylvania. But Trump is still a player, after all his behavior.

Hi Dogballs, do you think MLK would have voted for Trump? Do you think MLK would support the Libertarian Party? 

And Alec, I'll take numbers eight and nine for fifty each,.

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Pertinacious Tom

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This Non-Violent Stuff Will Get You Killed

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...A noted journalist and professor at Brown University, Cobb recently published, “This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed,” a look at firearms inside the Civil Rights movement, which includes a firsthand account of his experiences.

Cobb maintained in a recent interview with NPR that he witnessed the untold story of guns inside the civil rights movement. He gained that experience as a field secretary for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) in Mississippi from 1962 to 1967.

The SNCC was one of the most important organizations of the American Civil Rights Movement.

“I worked in the South. I lived with families in the South,” explained Cobb to NPR. “There was never a family I stayed with that didn’t have a gun. I know from personal experience and the experiences of others that guns kept people alive, kept communities safe. And all you have to do to understand this is simply think of black people as human beings, and they’re going to respond to terrorism the way anybody else would.”

Cobb went on in the interview to describe an encounter that a journalist had with Dr. Martin Luther King while visiting the civil rights leader at his Montgomery home, where King had frequently received death threats.

An associate of King’s cautioned the journalist before he sat down in an armchair that there was not just one, but “a couple of guns” hidden in that particular piece of furniture.
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Yeah,  at one point, I reacted to years of disinformation on PA. This disinformation had presented MLK, constantly and frequently, as living in a house full of guns.  WTF?@Excoded Tom)
I guess you're reacting to the quoted topic post?

You know, hijacking threads and making them about guns is sometimes considered bad around here.

Oh, wait, that's right. You're TeamD/grabby, thus can do no wrong.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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On 5/6/2021 at 12:25 PM, jocal505 said:
Hillary is impressive, in how she presents this. I fear the consequences of disinformation, in general. Without dis-allowing the first amendment, I feel that some form of accountability is imperative. 

Yeah,  at one point, I reacted to years of disinformation on PA. This disinformation had presented MLK, constantly and frequently, as living in a house full of guns.  WTF?@Excoded Tom)
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Please reply, about your disinformation, in the appropriate thread.
I did.

As you well know, you can get away with trying to hijack the Hillary thread and make it about guns. As you also know, the gungrabby chorus who ignore what you do will have a cow if I do the same thing.

Besides, this is the thread you were referencing (without a link for context) and it's the one where the information about guns in MLK's house was posted.

 

jocal505

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I did.

As you well know, you can get away with trying to hijack the Hillary thread and make it about guns. As you also know, the gungrabby chorus who ignore what you do will have a cow if I do the same thing.

Besides, this is the thread you were referencing (without a link for context) and it's the one where the information about guns in MLK's house was posted.
Your information was wrong, and then it was weaponized, a lot. It was disinformation. You are Tom Ray, and you own the disinfo. You should correct your errors, pal.

In the house of MLK, a recently rented house which had been bombed, there was only ever one gun, for a week or so, then there was a family/spiritual discussion.

Coretta and Martin nixed the gun after the discussion. And Glen Smiley packed MLK off to India, to better understand the power of non-violence.  The notion of the latter escapes American culture.

And dude, a link was provided. The story and source can be found on this page.

THE MAN WHO SAT ON THE GUN (SINGULAR) IN MLK'S CHAIR.

His name was Glenn Smiley, and he and King would talk all night long that night.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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In the house of MLK, a recently rented house which had been bombed, there was only ever one gun, for a week or so


  • Friends said that at least some guns were present which King would be unaware of.
  • Glenn Smiley is quoted as saying that Kings's house was 'an "arsenal," but the time period may have been short. My source:MLK.
Too stupid to keep your story straight.

And dude, a link was provided.
And too stupid to realize that I was referring to your link-free attempt to make the Hillary thread, like everything else in your life, about me and about guns.

By the way, it was William Worthy, not Smiley, who almost sat on a gun.

Whatever. Too stupid for basic facts. I still think the racist denial of King's permit application was wrong, but can see why someone who "thinks" this way would disagree:

The immature, short-sighted desire for gunpower is amplified, and more volatile, among blacks. Even more deadly than among whites.

 

jocal505

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Too stupid to keep your story straight.

And too stupid to realize that I was referring to your link-free attempt to make the Hillary thread, like everything else in your life, about me and about guns.

By the way, it was William Worthy, not Smiley, who almost sat on a gun.

Whatever. Too stupid for basic facts. I still think the racist denial of King's permit application was wrong, but can see why someone who "thinks" this way would disagree:


Too many weasel words. This discussion is about disinformation, not Hillary.

The gun, singular, was stashed in the armchair for about a week, after a house bombing. Then Martin and Coretta rejected guns in their home. My post includes the account of MLK. (He abandoned the idea of a gun permit. He abandoned the family gun, too.)

If you are presenting some other idea, that is disinformation. You seem to carry a pattern of counterfactual propaganda.

Interesting article, by Adam Winkler, thanks. Your article 

  • supports gun control,
  • reports the gun confiscation of the FF, and
  • lays the foundation for commercial regulation of gunz.

The Founding Fathers instituted gun laws so intrusive that, were they running for office today, the NRA would not endorse them. While they did not care to completely disarm the citizenry, the founding generation denied gun ownership to many people: not only slaves and free blacks, but law-abiding white men who refused to swear loyalty to the Revolution.


The lower courts consistently point to one paragraph in particular from the Heller decision. Nothing in the opinion, Scalia wrote, should

be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

This paragraph from the pen of Justice Scalia, the foremost proponent of constitutional originalism, was astounding. True, the Founders imposed gun control, but they had no laws resembling Scalia’s list of Second Amendment exceptions. They had no laws banning guns in sensitive places, or laws prohibiting the mentally ill from possessing guns, or laws requiring commercial gun dealers to be licensed. Such restrictions are products of the 20th century. Justice Scalia, in other words, embraced a living Constitution. In this, Heller is a fine reflection of the ironies and contradictions—and the selective use of the past—that run throughout America’s long history with guns.

 

bpm57

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the founding generation denied gun ownership to many people: not only slaves and free blacks, but law-abiding white men who refused to swear loyalty to the Revolution.
Looks like you are not the only one unaware that there was a war going on back then, Joe.

BTW, why are you worshiping Winkler's 10 year old article now? It isn't peer reviewed, and he is a lawyer, not a historian.

Or is this more of your ever changing standards in action? Or have you simply forgotten what your standards were?

 

bpm57

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Interesting article, by Adam Winkler, thanks. Your article
Points out your inability to keep well documented history straight, not that anyone that has been here more then a few weeks is unaware of that. Of course, expecting you to ever understand that is a losing cause.

 

Burning Man

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Looks like you are not the only one unaware that there was a war going on back then, Joe.

BTW, why are you worshiping Winkler's 10 year old article now? It isn't peer reviewed, and he is a lawyer, not a historian.

Or is this more of your ever changing standards in action? Or have you simply forgotten what your standards were?
What standards???

 

Pertinacious Tom

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The immature, short-sighted desire for gunpower is amplified, and more volatile, among blacks. Even more deadly than among whites.


Yo, Publius Johnson can be heard race-baiting, in the background. @Excoded Tom
Yo, you're still the author of the most racist statement ever posted on this forum, still a piece of shit, and still dumb as that stump you shot.

 

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