Tomahawk: Peoples Foiler?!

Doug Lord

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Well this may be the first Peoples Foiler. Easy to sail is the main thing-waiting on new information but their thinking seems to be right on the mark. Damn cool!

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=145464

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Raz'r

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Hey Douggie - you no longer have to build one! You can buy one. So - buy one, sail it, get pics of you foiling....

You know you want to

 

Doug Lord

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Not late at all: check boatdesign. Here,I have an entirely different perspective-this boat is the first foiler yet that really APPEARS to have the ingredients of a Peoples Foiler-I wish them luck. I'll tell you this: the "Hobie" of foilers is on its way-a true Peoples Foiler WILL happen sooner as opposed to later.....

 

Doug Lord

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More info: Tomahawk Foils. Note the picture of the boat with the main foil breaking the surface:

http://www.tomahawkfoils.com/

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News Flash: Simon Maguire,designer and developer of the M4( first Peoples Foiler candidate) has joined Ovington to work on "special projects"-I think thats him sailing the Tomahawk.

 
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sadolph

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Looks like clever design has simplified things...this could potentially obsolete wand based systems.

I imagine something interesting will be a comparison between a moth with tomahawk vs standard foils. I'd like to hear opinions on whether or not top end speed is hurt by the tomahawk.

Looks to me like there is a hell of a wake with a tomahawk....and little to no wake on a moth. To me that says moth foils are quicker. I would bet however the tomahawk is better behaved (like they claim it is).

 

nige

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More info: Tomahawk Foils. Note the picture of the boat with the main foil breaking the surface:http://www.tomahawkfoils.com/

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I think thats him sailing the Tomahawk.

If so, he looks very much like Linton.

Boat looks great though - nice and simple. I doubt they are going for top end speed so I am not sure there is much point comparing to the Moth/RS600FF systems but this looks like a great solution to get an easy to use foiler out there.

Funny, no park benches....

 
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Doug Lord

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Looks like clever design has simplified things...this could potentially obsolete wand based systems.
I imagine something interesting will be a comparison between a moth with tomahawk vs standard foils. I'd like to hear opinions on whether or not top end speed is hurt by the tomahawk.

Looks to me like there is a hell of a wake with a tomahawk....and little to no wake on a moth. To me that says moth foils are quicker. I would bet however the tomahawk is better behaved (like they claim it is).
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A boat using surface ventilated foils won't be as fast as a wand based foil system-but MUCH simpler. Relative to non-foiling boats it will still be damn fast.

It has huge potential in developing the "Hobie" of foilers. Read the blurb on the Tomohawk foils site-goes into a bit of detail about the app on a windsurfer.

 
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Doug Lord

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More info: Tomahawk Foils. Note the picture of the boat with the main foil breaking the surface:http://www.tomahawkfoils.com/

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I think thats him sailing the Tomahawk.

If so, he looks very much like Linton.

Boat looks great though - nice and simple. I doubt they are going for top end speed so I am not sure there is much point comparing to the Moth/RS600FF systems but this looks like a great solution to get an easy to use foiler out there.

Funny, no park benches....YET(dl)
 

nige

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More info: Tomahawk Foils. Note the picture of the boat with the main foil breaking the surface:http://www.tomahawkfoils.com/

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I think thats him sailing the Tomahawk.

If so, he looks very much like Linton.

Boat looks great though - nice and simple. I doubt they are going for top end speed so I am not sure there is much point comparing to the Moth/RS600FF systems but this looks like a great solution to get an easy to use foiler out there.

Funny, no park benches....YET(dl)
Nice to see that sense of humor back ;)

 

SimonN

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News Flash: Simon Maguire,designer and developer of the M4( first Peoples Foiler candidate) has joined Ovington to work on "special projects"-I think thats him sailing the Tomahawk.
Doug

Your memory is clearly failing you as Simon's boss, Chris Turner, posted on here ages ago that Simon now worked at Ovington. You were making a typical fool of youself, going on about pods and the M4, when Chris posted that Simon was working for him and had taken the pods off. I cannot be bothered to search, but my guess would be that was about 6 months ago.

And yes, Nige is right, it is Linton (but then he knew that!). The boat looks interesting, if it is as easy to sail as the claims. The fact it cannot foil very high out of the water must also help, as mistakes won't be punished too hard. It is interesting to see a hull that looks as ig it has some decent form to it, one that will probably be easy to sail without foils. That seems to me to be a sensible approach, gibving form stability when the boat isn't foiling.

It will be interesting to see a price. I am not sur ethe word Tomahawk and cheap will be seen together!

 

Sailingkid

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I don't think this looks like a peoples foiler. The amount of hobie 16's you see around the beach in peoples front yards in non racing condition shows that your not going to get a boat like this to those sort of numbers. You might appeal to a racing crowd, but its not a peoples foiler. Something like one of those earlier foiler moths with foils off the wings except more heavily built and bigger might have a chance though.

This tomahawk is still a really cool boat though.

 

Jon Howes

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The foil section was developed for Monofoil. Monofoil doesn't have any money right now and is languishing in a 40' container at present, too radical for most people I fear, but the foil was too good to abandon. Sticking it on a dinghy lead to a no-moving-parts way around a flap to provide low speed lift but still reduce the lift coefficient at higher speeds, having got that to work we put it on a sailboard and it got REALLY interesting.

On the dinghy, no, it won't be as fast in moderate conditions as a moth, however, it is not going to cavitate suddenly and wipe out since this section cannot cavitate. In a gale it will still keep going and will then be much faster than a normal foil which would not work in those conditions in any case. Because this is a ventilated foil it really doesn't care about waves, just keeps on going and slices the tops off.

Mark Wagner, who sponsored the development, first sailed it in half metre waves, he had never sailed a foiler before and did not think that this was anything unusual so I think we have something here.... but then I am biased.

Jon.

 
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bistros

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The foil section was developed for Monofoil. Monofoil doesn't have any money right now and is languishing in a 40' container at present, too radical for most people I fear, but the foil was too good to abandon. Sticking it on a dinghy lead to a no-moving-parts way around a flap to provide low speed lift but still reduce the lift coefficient at higher speeds, having got that to work we put it on a sailboard and it got REALLY interesting.
On the dinghy, no, it won't be as fast in moderate conditions as a moth, however, it is not going to cavitate suddenly and wipe out since this section cannot cavitate. In a gale it will still keep going and will then be much faster than a normal foil which would not work in those conditions in any case. Because this is a ventilated foil it really doesn't care about waves, just keeps on going and slices the tops off.

Mark Wagner, who sponsored the development, first sailed it in half metre waves, he had never sailed a foiler before and did not think that this was anything unusual so I think we have something here.... but then I am biased.

Jon.

Prepare yourself for a sycophantic, gushing, embarrassing thank you from our esteemed 'net-foiling historian. Bet your kind post will show up on Boatdesign.net within 30 minutes as a repost.

It's nice to get information first hand.

Sounds like you've got a good idea here, but I hope the economic times allow the project to make it across the pond. Any ideas on projected pricing?

I don't know about everyone else, but I'd put $20 in the collection plate to buy a foiler for Doug.

Best of luck with the project.

 

Doug Lord

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The foil section was developed for Monofoil. Monofoil doesn't have any money right now and is languishing in a 40' container at present, too radical for most people I fear, but the foil was too good to abandon. Sticking it on a dinghy lead to a no-moving-parts way around a flap to provide low speed lift but still reduce the lift coefficient at higher speeds, having got that to work we put it on a sailboard and it got REALLY interesting.
On the dinghy, no, it won't be as fast in moderate conditions as a moth, however, it is not going to cavitate suddenly and wipe out since this section cannot cavitate. In a gale it will still keep going and will then be much faster than a normal foil which would not work in those conditions in any case. Because this is a ventilated foil it really doesn't care about waves, just keeps on going and slices the tops off.

Mark Wagner, who sponsored the development, first sailed it in half metre waves, he had never sailed a foiler before and did not think that this was anything unusual so I think we have something here.... but then I am biased.

Jon.
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Thanks ,Jon! Congratulations on this terrific achievement. Hope this helps fund the Monofoil!

 



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