Top woman candidates for AC 37/38 Helm

dullers

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Human nature then is why no equality of opportunity? 

And a bunch of white males with lockerroom talk probably really attracts young grade school females to the sport at the local level? Or if not well they couldn't have made the cut anyway right? 
I see you only prefer white racism. So locker room talk is only possible with white males? You are against racism and yet see no irony in your posts. I see with posts like these you prefer division over harmony. So let me quote from an article from the RYA with a lady called Alexandra Rickham. You can google her sailing achievements. I quote. 

"As a black disabled women Im representing a lot of under represented groups. I dont feel I have faced extra challenges particularly. "

It speaks for itself.

I will leave Ex yachty to correct your spelling.

 

dullers

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Don't know where you are from but our laws support equal opportunity yet outcomes still differ very badly.  Would you feel as comfortable using "skin color" or "national origin" instead of "tits" in your sentence? If not, perhaps you agree many issues can be at play.
I will use whatever words I like. I know you would like language policed in your utopian nightmare but you are not there yet.  Equality of outcome is impossible to achieve with the diversity of people around. It is most probably the single most divisive pipedream in the socialist armoury. If you send 1000 kids to university to do the same degree you will never get equality of outcome as it depends on the individual as to what results and future prosperity, wellbeing etc will be achieved. 

I have always believed in equal opportunity and that is worth striving for. Equality of outcome is destructive for everyone. Equality of outcome will achieve only that everyone is poor and miserable.   You can offer help to all but not all will take it.

 

Rennmaus

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Has anyone propagated equality of outcome? Why bring that up now? We are talking of equality of opportunity. The latter is not there. Why bring up socialism again, without knowing what socialism is?
This is a discussion that's moving the goalposts as required when the arguments fail.

 

dullers

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Has anyone propagated equality of outcome? Why bring that up now? We are talking of equality of opportunity. The latter is not there. Why bring up socialism again, without knowing what socialism is?
This is a discussion that's moving the goalposts as required when the arguments fail.
You did in your post.  Sorry not you but need a clue who has identical views to yours. 

 
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Ex-yachtie

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Dude, women in Spain are a majority in education, justice and health (the three pillars of society),  my wife is a physicist, loves to ski and watches more soccer games than I do. 

Equality has been guaranteed by law for decades, but it just happens that free women choose different things than men, deal with it.

Stop treating women as if they needed your protection and guidance because they don't. It's actually demeaning to them.

The thing is all the socialist ideology was based on the war between classes, since that doesn't work anymore, now they need to divide society with gender, race,  sexual preferences or whatever suits them.

Free men and women have ideas, submissive men and women have ideologies.

Don't be submissive, don't let others think for you.
Now read your post again in the knowledge that @NeedAClewis a woman.  You can tell because her avatar has a woman in it, but it doesn't have a set of bouncing tits. It obviously didn't occur to your sexist little brain that you might be talking to someone who might understand this from quite a different perspective.  You see, that's the benefit of diversity - multiple view points of the same problem, leading to the best answer, not just the refinement of the same answer over and over.

 

NeedAClew

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I will use whatever words I like. I know you would like language policed in your utopian nightmare but you are not there yet.  Equality of outcome is impossible to achieve with the diversity of people around. It is most probably the single most divisive pipedream in the socialist armoury. If you send 1000 kids to university to do the same degree you will never get equality of outcome as it depends on the individual as to what results and future prosperity, wellbeing etc will be achieved. 

I have always believed in equal opportunity and that is worth striving for. Equality of outcome is destructive for everyone. Equality of outcome will achieve only that everyone is poor and miserable.   You can offer help to all but not all will take it.
So you are talking about equality of outcome here. But the original topic was about opportunity.

And I am not sure why you DMd to ask me my religion. You could have asked in public and get the same answer: what the fuck would that have to do with anything I've said, what the fuck business is it of yours, and fuck off.

And btw I am not male.

 

dullers

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Why would I ask you in public given the lovely post you have just sent. You had the choice of answering or not. Anything else one should not ask?

 
Now read your post again in the knowledge that @NeedAClewis a woman.  You can tell because her avatar has a woman in it, but it doesn't have a set of bouncing tits. It obviously didn't occur to your sexist little brain that you might be talking to someone who might understand this from quite a different perspective.  You see, that's the benefit of diversity - multiple view points of the same problem, leading to the best answer, not just the refinement of the same answer over and over.
LOL!! And you call me sexist!!

I don't care if she's a she or a he, because unlike you, little grasshopper,  I treat all opinions equally.

I won't step down to your low level name calling because quite frankly, you are not worth it.

 

Tubes

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Why would I ask you in public given the lovely post you have just sent. You had the choice of answering or not. Anything else one should not ask?
What would even have anything to do with the subject matter? This entire thread basically started as trying to get a list of top level female sailors compiled. Instead of contributing to that, you've turned the entire conversation into an argument about anything BUT top women in our sport... Would have loved to see a simple conversation about the merits of Sarah Ayton vs Sarah Webb or maybe Lutz vs Bekkering on an America's Cup program.

 

dullers

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What would even have anything to do with the subject matter? This entire thread basically started as trying to get a list of top level female sailors compiled. Instead of contributing to that, you've turned the entire conversation into an argument about anything BUT top women in our sport... Would have loved to see a simple conversation about the merits of Sarah Ayton vs Sarah Webb or maybe Lutz vs Bekkering on an America's Cup program.
The thread was always meant to be about opportunity versus merit. Oh and its anarchy so thread drift is the norm. By the way Lakrass starts the thread drift but I note you said nothing about it. Then we could add meatwad then ............................. then trt131 so I am late to the event and the people you mentioned are not being discussed because they are not candidates. Then we have need a clue trying to impose pc speech on us. Anyway it makes you feel self righteous. 

 

Tubes

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The thread was always meant to be about opportunity versus merit. Oh and its anarchy so thread drift is the norm. By the way Lakrass starts the thread drift but I note you said nothing about it. Then we could add meatwad then ............................. then trt131 so I am late to the event and the people you mentioned are not being discussed because they are not candidates. Then we have need a clue trying to impose pc speech on us. Anyway it makes you feel self righteous. 
You've drifted this topic into equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity and the socio-economic outcomes of socialism... and what does the actions of anyone else have to do with how you are acting right now? No one is censoring you, so what are you talking about? And how is it self righteous to question what religion @NeedAClewsubscribes to has to do with anything? You say something, people respond. If you don't want people to question your ideologies the way you question theirs, don't vocalize your opinion... 

 

dullers

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You've drifted this topic into equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity and the socio-economic outcomes of socialism... and what does the actions of anyone else have to do with how you are acting right now? No one is censoring you, so what are you talking about? And how is it self righteous to question what religion @NeedAClewsubscribes to has to do with anything? You say something, people respond. If you don't want people to question your ideologies the way you question theirs, don't vocalize your opinion... 
If you note I did not ask need a clue on this thread. Need a clue raised it on this thread. Read the post properly.  It is anarchy and you are self righteous. I say something people respond. The response is yours and not mine. Try reading the threads and posts first.

Sorry how am I acting? Does it not fit your worldview correctly? Where did I raise the issue of censorship and in regards to who?  Just quote the parts in my post that you are talking about as all I see is some sort of ramble and dare I say it thread drift. 

 

Tubes

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If you note I did not ask need a clue on this thread. Need a clue raised it on this thread. Read the post properly.  It is anarchy and you are self righteous. I say something people respond. The response is yours and not mine. Try reading the threads and posts first.

1.Sorry how am I acting? 2.Does it not fit your worldview correctly? 3.Where did I raise the issue of censorship and in regards to who?  Just quote the parts in my post that you are talking about as all I see is some sort of ramble and dare I say it thread drift. 
Okay:

The thread was always meant to be about opportunity versus merit. Oh and its anarchy so thread drift is the norm. By the way Lakrass starts the thread drift but I note you said nothing about it. Then we could add meatwad then ............................. then trt131 so I am late to the event and the people you mentioned are not being discussed because they are not candidates. Then we have need a clue trying to impose pc speech on us. Anyway it makes you feel self righteous. 
1. What does what they posted have to do with what YOU are posting? Why does the fact that they posted on something earlier justify you continuing it? 

2. My worldview has nothing to with it. I just wanted to talk about the topic, women, or people that identify as women, at the top of our sport, but that seems to disagree with YOUR worldview.

3. If anyone is trying to "impose" speech upon you, they are trying to censor you. And in regards to @NeedAClew

By the way, they made this nice place for you to you discuss the benefits and faults of socialism, and any other geopolitical issue you want to converse about:

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dullers

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Okay:

1. What does what they posted have to do with what YOU are posting? Why does the fact that they posted on something earlier justify you continuing it? 

2. My worldview has nothing to with it. I just wanted to talk about the topic, women, or people that identify as women, at the top of our sport, but that seems to disagree with YOUR worldview.

3. If anyone is trying to "impose" speech upon you, they are trying to censor you. And in regards to @NeedAClew

By the way, they made this nice place for you to you discuss the benefits and faults of socialism, and any other geopolitical issue you want to converse about:

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So why dont you ignore my posts then????  Use block etc .To quote you  "Why does the fact that they posted on something earlier justify you continuing it? " Follow your own advice and talk about the women you want to. I am not stopping you. Thread drift is allowed. You dont own it or the direction of the thread. You think you do but you dont....  Feel free to go over to PA. I am staying here.

 

Sea Breeze 74

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I look forward to them pissing over the side.
I talked to several of the VOR sailors about this during their stopover in Auckland 3 years ago. While examining the head on Scallywag the crew made it clear it didn't get used much. They just went off the back ... women too.

Actually, it was Fish who told me that. He was lost almost exactly three years ago, poor bastard.

 

dullers

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I don't know if it is true or not but a lady sailor who used to race with a mostly male crew around Cowes decided that she was not going to do it in the open anymore and came up with the heads. I think it was the Lavac design. That design is the best of all designs. I could google for the veracity of that story but that would not be fun.

 

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