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hobie1616

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The Law Is Closing In on Trump

There are now three clear indicators that criminal probes of Donald Trump are rapidly reaching a conclusion. First, in Georgia a special grand jury investigating his efforts to overturn the presidential election in the state has concluded its work. The Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, has indicated that charging decisions are imminent. Key parts of the grand juryreport will be released this Thursday.

Second, the Manhattan district attorney’s office is reportedly presenting evidence to a grand jury regarding the accusation that Trump paid hush money to the porn actress Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election.

Third, as The Times reported last week, the special counsel Jack Smith issued a subpoena to Mike Pence. The special counsel said it is investigating Trump’s mishandling of classified information and “efforts to interfere” with the certification of the 2020 presidential election on Jan. 6, 2021, and with the “lawful transfer of power” after the election. Pence is a direct witness to key events surrounding at least two of those subjects: Jan. 6 and the election interference efforts before Jan. 6.

Pence is reportedly planning to challenge the subpoena on separation of powers grounds, claiming that his former role as president of the Senate was legislative and therefore entitles him to at least some protection from the Department of Justice’s subpoena. But even if he mounts that challenge, issuing a subpoena to a former vice president is a significant step and not one likely to be taken for general information-gathering purposes. Instead, as the former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy wrote in National Review, the subpoena indicated that a final charging decision was “probably nearing” and the prosecutor was “preparing to cross the Rubicon.”

If prosecution decisions are imminent, what principles should guide the prosecutors? What factors should they consider when deciding whether to charge a former president? When weighing the facts and the law, they should remember the rule of law and apply the rule of lenity. They should not, however, consider politics or the potential of mob violence.

In short, the guiding prosecuting principle should rest in the old maxim “Let justice be done, though the heavens fall.”

The rule of law is easy to explain. America’s republican form of government does not create or permit a special class of citizens who are immune from legal accountability. (The arguable exception is the serving president. It’s the longstanding position of the Department of Justice that indicting a sitting president would “impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions.” But Trump, of course, is no longer president.) The United States has prosecuted a vice president, governors, members of Congress and federal judges. The Supreme Court has held that presidents are subject to legal process, even when they occupy the Oval Office.

So yes, former presidents should be subject to prosecution. This position doesn’t endanger our system of government; it protects and applies a fundamental American legal principle: We are all equal in the eyes of the law.

But that principle of equality brings me to the second factor to consider, the rule of lenity. It’s a principle of statutory constructionthat states “when a law is unclear or ambiguous, the court should apply it in the way that is most favorable to the defendant.” Another way of stating the rule is that the government shouldn’t stretch or extend the law to criminalize misconduct.

The rule of lenity is both just and practical. As a matter of justice, should our nation be prosecuting citizens criminally under novel legal theories? The law should give fair notice of its scope, and it should be clear enough to permit us to conform our conduct to the relevant legal standards. Expanding the reach of laws beyond their plain text violates this principle and undermines trust in law enforcement.

Applying the rule of lenity to Trump — as it should be applied to every citizen — means that he should be prosecuted only when the evidence indicates that he has clearly violated laws with plain and clear meaning, either on their face or as further defined by controlling precedent.

Thus I was concerned when I read The Times’s report on the Manhattan grand jury proceedings. It rightly said that although he is accused of making hush money payments, the legal theory that it could support a felony charge “has largely gone untested” and “would therefore make for a risky legal case against any defendant.” If that’s the case, then don’t file the charge.

Georgia criminal law, by contrast, is both clear and quite obviously relevant to Trump’s conduct. For example, Georgia law prohibits“criminal solicitation to commit election fraud” when a person “solicits, requests, commands, importunes or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage” in conduct that would be a felony under Georgia election law.

Moreover, Georgia law makes it a felony to conspire to commit election fraud, and the crime is complete “when the conspiracy or agreement is effected and an overt act in furtherance thereof has been committed, regardless of whether the violation of this chapter is consummated.” In other words, the conspiracy does not have to succeed to be criminal.

Why highlight these Georgia statutes? Because Trump was caught on tape telling Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, that he just wanted to “find 11,780 votes” and Trump clearly threatened Raffensperger with a “big risk” of criminal prosecution for allegedly “not reporting” fictional Georgia election fraud and for “letting it happen.”

In addition, we know that Willis has stated that 16 Republicans who falsely claimed to be Georgia’s valid presidential electors are targets of her criminal investigation. The fake electors scheme and the threats directed at Raffensperger clearly implicate the plain language of the relevant statutes.

Are there federal laws that are equally applicable to Trump’s conduct? Pence’s testimony could be particularly relevant to any prosecution under 18 U.S.C. Section 2383, which applies when a person “incites, sets on foot, assists or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof or gives aid or comfort thereto.”

Trump has always had a strong defense against the claim that he incited the attack on the Capitol. In his speech on Jan. 6, he said, “We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore,” but he also urged the crowd to “peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

Thus, the admonition to fight had to be metaphorical, right? Not so fast. The former Trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson testified under oath that Trump said before the rally, referring to magnetometers in place to scan for weapons: “I don’t f-ing care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the f-ing mags away. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here. Let the people in. Take the f-ing mags away.”

If Hutchinson’s testimony is accurate, that means Trump knew members of the crowd were armed, that he did not want to use security devices to screen for weapons and that he wanted the armed protesters to march on the Capitol. Pence’s testimony could bolster or undermine those contentions.

I can’t analyze every potential criminal claim against Trump. If you’ve got time, I highly recommend reading the Jan. 6 committee’s final report and a comprehensive Brookings Institution report on Fulton County’s Trump investigation. But after I read hundreds of pages of testimony, it’s clear to me that there is no need to stretch the law or apply novel legal theories to hold Trump accountable for his misdeeds.

You’ll note that I’ve spoken exclusively of legal principles in evaluating any decision to prosecute Trump. The reason is simple: The prosecutors’ decision to file charges should be governed by the law and the facts alone and not by any heightened concern for or about Trump or his supporters.

Just as it would be harmful to our republican ideal of equal justice under the law to grant Trump a status-based exemption to state or federal law, it would be deeply problematic to grant Trump a fear-based exemption from prosecution. A refusal to prosecute Trump because of a fear of mob violence or civil unrest would grant Trump the equivalent of a heckler’s veto over the rule of law.

As Ian Bassin and Erica Newland argued in a powerful and persuasive New York Review of Books article last July, It is beyond the “proper powers” of the Department of Justice “to weigh whether indicting would be in the national interest.” Weighing the national interest is the president’s purview, and the path to avoiding prosecution for the sake of national stability is through a presidential pardon, not through an exercise of prosecutorial discretion.

Presidents can pardon federal crimes. They cannot pardon state crimes. But even if President Biden could pardon Trump, he should not. If the evidence clearly indicates that Trump committed a crime, he should face a jury, and if the jury convicts, he should go to prison. After the Senate failed to convict Trump in his impeachment trial, the criminal justice system is one of the last lines of defense against this malignant man and his malignant mob.
 

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I hope this gives Biden some ideas; there's a bunch I would pay to watch.

Trump's plan for a 2nd term reportedly includes firing squads, hangings, and group executions​


As Donald Trump's second re-election bid begins to pick up steam in the new year, details about the former president's plans for his return to the White House have begun to emerge — including a new report from Rolling Stone, which alleges Trump has begun polling his advisers on whether he should bring back firing squads, hangings, and even the guillotine should he win in 2024.

According to two sources, the former president has even begun exploring the possibility of group executions, with a third person claiming Trump has expressed interest in a government ad campaign to highlight the administration's lethality and, per Rolling Stone's source, "help put the fear of God into violent criminals." A Trump campaign spokesperson denied the former president had plans for an execution ad campaign in a statement to Rolling Stone.

Trump's fascination with the death penalty has long been on public display, stretching back to his call to execute the "Central Park Five," five young Black and Latino men accused of rape and assault in the late 1980s (all were later exonerated). As Rolling Stone had previously reported, Trump had ended his first term by executing more than four times as many convicted persons in his final six months in office as the federal government had killed in total over the prior half-century. He also signed an executive order in those last weeks in office that expanded the federal government's ability to conduct hangings and firing squads as methods of execution. And during his campaign launch in November, Trump made a special point to highlight a call to execute "everyone who sells drugs [or] gets caught selling drugs" if given a second term.

This latest report has earned harsh rebukes from some, including journalist Oliver Willis, who called it the "kind of fascist s--t Republican primary voters love." Citing a 2016 campaign event in which Trump enthusiastically lauded the disproven myth that U.S. General John Pershing summarily executed dozens of Muslim prisoners in the Philippines with ammunition "dipped [...] in pig's blood," Semafor Washington Bureau Chief Benjy Sarlin wryly noted that now Trump was "moderating his stance ahead of 2024, before he just favored summary executions while defiling the bodies."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-plan-2nd-term-reportedly-181144421.html
 

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Republicans prepare to eat their own.

House and Senate Republicans widely acknowledge that bad candidates cost them seats in the 2022 election. They just don’t agree on what to do about it in 2024.

After a midterm cycle that saw underfunded and deeply conservative nominees blow winnable races across the country, the new regime at the National Republican Senatorial Committee is reversing its policy of neutrality and will now selectively intervene to pick winners in open GOP primaries. But in the House, where Republicans are protecting a paper-thin majority, the campaign committee will remain largely hands-off.

The split over strategy comes at a critical juncture for the GOP: Some of the party’s most controversial losers from 2022 are launching campaigns or considering running in 2024. That includes Blake Masters and Kari Lake in Arizona, J.R. Majewski in Ohio and Joe Kent in Washington.

The crop of failed candidates mulling comebacks is causing headaches for party operatives who are desperate to address one of the big problems that plagued them last fall.


https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/17/midterm-losers-gop-primaries-00083137
 

Mrleft8

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And now with the monkeys of George Santos, and a couple of other..... Ummm.... embelleshers... on their backs, as well as the weight of MTG, Boobert, Gaetz, and the rest of the mixed nuts crew....
I think the GOP maybe ought to try to get some people who read books, not just fill in the lines with crayons.
 

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“I still believe he will [be indicted] and I still believe he must if we are to save our democracy. We’ve all heard the phrase ‘justice delayed is justice denied,’ justice has been delayed, I hope it’s not entirely denied,” Kirschner said.

“But during the two year period, what message has the Department of Justice sent to the next wannabe dictator who might try to overthrow our government? ‘You know what, when you do it, we’re going to give you a full two years to figure out what your next move is.’ Boy, that is the opposite of promptly deterring criminal conduct.”
 

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“I have my dark days where I am not entirely sure that indictments are going to come,” Mary Trump told Phang in an interview Sunday. “But if indeed they do — and I agree with you, the first one probably would come out of Georgia — hopefully, many more shoes will drop.”

But Trump warned that “in the meantime, we are ... sort of in this state of suspended animation, and more and more people are continuing to be fooled by outlets like Fox [News], and think that something’s been stolen from them Donald, of course, will use any opportunity to incite more violence if he thinks it suits him, so we are not out of the woods yet,” she said.
 

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Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump hid in a bunker because people were protesting.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump blew off a commemoration for dead war heroes because it was raining.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump paid a quack doctor to gin up a bullshit note about imaginary bone spurs.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump bowed his head to Vladimir Putin.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump needed a general’s help to gingerly make his way down a gentle ramp.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump lobbed paper towels at bewildered hurricane victims.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump drove his golf cart up onto the green.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump snuggled up to despots.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump bragged about identifying a drawing of an elephant.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump touched a glowing Saudi orb.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump did a bizarre thumbs-up photo-op with a baby who was orphaned by a mass shooter.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump paid hush money.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump held hate rallies.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump stole classified documents.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump defrauded his own government.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump watched himself on television.

Joe Biden visited an active war zone. Donald Trump threw a bottle of ketchup at a wall.

any questions?

 

hobie1616

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This may explain Trump and VVV...


The study, published Wednesday in the American Academy of Neurology’s medical journal, Neurology, suggests that a potential dementia link is strongest with osmotic laxatives, which draw water into stool to make it softer and easier to pass. The other major kind, stimulant laxatives, increases muscle contractions along the stool mass.

“Regular use of laxatives was associated with a higher risk of all-cause dementia, particularly in those who used multiple laxative types or osmotic laxative,” they wrote in the study.
 

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V3 spent too long breathing styrene, acetone and all the other nasty volatiles associated with boat building.

It couldn't be laxatives causing it or he wouldn't be so totally full of shit.
 

hobie1616

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No paper towels?!?!


The water bottles and the desperate need to make himself the center of attention amid a tragic situation reminded some people of the time in October 2017 when Trump tossed rolls of paper towels to Puerto Ricans whose lives had been devastated by Hurricane Maria.
 

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No paper towels?!?!


The water bottles and the desperate need to make himself the center of attention amid a tragic situation reminded some people of the time in October 2017 when Trump tossed rolls of paper towels to Puerto Ricans whose lives had been devastated by Hurricane Maria.
Trump Water went out of business 13 years ago. Nice gift.
 


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